Political conservative & christian conservatives

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I was thinking about the difference between American conservatives and other conservatives a few days ago.
The former seems to emphasize on liberty A LOT, so much that they sound like liberals to me while the latter emphasize on morality and traditional values.

The "alternative" in "Alt-Right" signifies an American Right that rejects classical liberalism, which the traditional American Right was always based on. Taking that in mind, it becomes apparent how ambitious an intellectual project that is. It aims at creating something completely anew that has no real history in the United States.

 

[VCR-2000]

The "alternative" in "Alt-Right" signifies an American Right that rejects classical liberalism, which the traditional American Right was always based on. Taking that in mind, it becomes apparent how ambitious an intellectual project that is. It aims at creating something completely anew that has no real history in the United States.

How is "Alt-right" ideas really foreign to the United States? A lot of it's ideas about culture and society such as anti-miscegenation and anti-homosexuality were common and accepted by mainstram Americans until the 1960s.

Then, some on the alt-right support abortion as justified to meet social/cultural ends (like preventing certain "bad or possibly harmful people from being born in society) that Christianity condemns to begin with. They may not be so much only about morality per se as their agenda seeks simply to be "traditional" for the mere sake of it.

 

[Albion]

It's important to be careful with this. The term alt-right is not well defined and is of recent origin, having been created in order to describe a fringe group of neo-Nazis, racial supremacists, and the like. It has nothing to do with genuine political conservatives, and--arguably--does not even belong on the "right" of the political spectrum since those people share many characteristics with the so-called far left.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

How is "Alt-right" ideas really foreign to the United States? A lot of it's ideas about culture and society such as anti-miscegenation and anti-homosexuality were common and accepted by mainstram Americans until the 1960s.

The traditional American Right has always held that the best solution to the political problems of the United States is a return to the principles of the American Revolution and the Constitution, properly understood. What distinguishes the alt-right is the belief of the necessity of America looking outside her own political tradition for answers. Historically this was the exclusive domain of the Left, and it was on the grounds that they regarded the Constitution as insufficiently democratic or condemned the Founding Fathers as slave owners.

It's important to be careful with this. The term alt-right is not well defined and is of recent origin, having been created in order to describe a fringe group of neo-Nazis, racial supremacists, and the like. It has nothing to do with genuine political conservatives, and--arguably--does not even belong on the "right" of the political spectrum since those people share many characteristics with the so-called far left.

The term is of recent origin because the movement is of recent origin - it emerged from paleoconservatism with the last decade or so. The notion of an "Alternative Right" was first proposed ten years ago at a speech by paleoconservative scholar Paul Gottfried to the H.L. Mencken Club. Richard Spencer, who at the time was working with Gottfried Taki's Magazine, promoted the concept and shortly afterward broke with Takimag to launch his own website under the name Alternativeright.com, which was later abbreviated to "alt-right", and it was at this point that a largely internet-based network began to develop around that website as a distinct political movement.

 

[Tomm]

There has been a huge increase in conservativism politically and i think that is down to a major push by conservative christians of all stripes. The current trend away from conservative and christian values has been a very long one over half a centuary probably even longer do you think the trend can be reversed or are we too late. If it can do you think it can be done quickly or are we looking at a 50 to 100 year process... can it be done peacefully or do you think the west will decend into chaos and violence. To me it does appear that christian civilization is in its death throws with the current new lease of life of christians a last ditch attempt to preserve our culture and way of life while we have had a great amount of success in such a short period of time i still feel we will have a long way to go and things could easily go wrong. I wonder what others think on this subject and where you think it will go

Have you noticed that although it is the left that is responsible for dragging the West to decline, unbelievably the left has been using similar keywords and values as conservatives did --- love (their "concern" for the poor and oppressed at the expense of everybody and everything else), justice (socialist equality), inclusion (allowing men to go to female toilets, etc), etc. But of course they are all sophistry.

 

[mark kennedy]

There has been a huge increase in conservativism politically and i think that is down to a major push by conservative christians of all stripes. The current trend away from conservative and christian values has been a very long one over half a centuary probably even longer do you think the trend can be reversed or are we too late. If it can do you think it can be done quickly or are we looking at a 50 to 100 year process... can it be done peacefully or do you think the west will decend into chaos and violence. To me it does appear that christian civilization is in its death throws with the current new lease of life of christians a last ditch attempt to preserve our culture and way of life while we have had a great amount of success in such a short period of time i still feel we will have a long way to go and things could easily go wrong. I wonder what others think on this subject and where you think it will go

I think conservative Christianity is doing fine, I do tend to get alarmed when they get into politics. Jerry Falwell, once remarked that you have to appreciate that if Christians win they go home, and if they lose they go home. He did try to do his part for the pro-life movement but found that Christians don't make great political activists. Our hope is in Christ, not some smooth politician that is simply telling them what they want to hear. I'm pretty conservative in my theology but politically I swing pretty far right. I draw the line at abortion but otherwise, a fairly normal Democrat. The DNC remarked that if you are pro-life there is no room in the Democrat party for you, to that I say baloney, I will cast my vote as I see fit and I'm always going to be pro-life.

We do have some serious problems in our culture with a host of maladies, did you think the narrow path was always going to be easy? The challenge for me is actually getting informed, then keeping up with it. This world is never going to work the way it's supposed to until Christ returns and reigns in power and glory, we live in anxious expectation of that day, maranatha. But look at history, are we as mixed up as the dark ages, does our struggle compare to what so many early Christians faced in a pagan society? If anything I think we are getting off easy, western civilization has maintained the Christian influence and God willing will continue to protect it. Otherwise, I'm not all that worried about the carnival going on in Washington, Brussels or down the road at the latest protest. God is in control whether the world likes it or not, we as Christians need to have some confidence in that.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Mhiriam]

I just look at Revelations - we will be increasingly persecuted until Christ returns. Exactly what that will look like I don't know, but I'm not hoping for a revival of Christian values. The world is already disintegrating around us. This calls for perseverance on behalf of the saints, apparently! You never know, it may go up before it goes down. I look to Jesus and trust, personally. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to improve society and keep up Christian society, I'm saying don't be surprised if it just keeps getting worse. But that's just my 2c.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I support net neutrality

Why?

The "alternative" in "Alt-Right" signifies an American Right that rejects classical liberalism, which the traditional American Right was always based on. Taking that in mind, it becomes apparent how ambitious an intellectual project that is. It aims at creating something completely anew that has no real history in the United States.

The American right was not always classic Liberalism. the American right was originally for strong centralized government the left was for the classic liberal viewpoint. The country has come to the point that the conservatives have become those that wish to conserve the classic liberal underpinnings the constitution is based on and the liberals are those that wish to do away with that and continue the trend of an ever increasing and growing strong central government. The terms left and right and liberal and conservative are useless in defining what people actually believe today and comparing that to what those terms meant in the past. I would submit that the two sides are not well defined if one says conservative l or liberal or left or right If I wish to know a person's likely stand on a political issue I only need to know what that person thinks government's role is. People ususally can be divided in two camps. Those that believe government's role is to solve societies' problems and those that believe that government's role is to set the framework for individual's to solve their own problems.

 

[Tomm]

Exactly what that will look like I don't know, but I'm not hoping for a revival of Christian values. The world is already disintegrating around us.

I strongly believe there will be a revival of Christian values, and conversion of atheists and pagans, according to the Fatima message.

I don't think the end time is near.

 

[Simon/Rock]

There has been a huge increase in conservativism politically and i think that is down to a major push by conservative christians of all stripes. The current trend away from conservative and christian values has been a very long one over half a centuary probably even longer do you think the trend can be reversed or are we too late. If it can do you think it can be done quickly or are we looking at a 50 to 100 year process... can it be done peacefully or do you think the west will decend into chaos and violence. To me it does appear that christian civilization is in its death throws with the current new lease of life of christians a last ditch attempt to preserve our culture and way of life while we have had a great amount of success in such a short period of time i still feel we will have a long way to go and things could easily go wrong. I wonder what others think on this subject and where you think it will go

Trump was a complete game changer. I thought that Conservative's were a dying breed politically. We're still out numbered, especially amongst millennials, but at least now we're not afraid to come out and have our voices heard, and speak up for ourselves. We're pushing back, against liberals, and we have a fighting chance.

 

[barefeetonholyground]

I strongly believe there will be a revival of Christian values, and conversion of atheists and pagans, according to the Fatima message.

I don't think the end time is near.

I see that too. More and more are waking up to the contradictions of the far left.

 

[barefeetonholyground]

Trump was a complete game changer. I thought that Conservative's were a dying breed politically. We're still out numbered, especially amongst millennials, but at least now we're not afraid to come out and have our voices heard, and speak up for ourselves. We're pushing back, against liberals, and we have a fighting chance.

yes but the zoomers, gen z, is becoming more and more conservative.