Police State New Zealand

[Chesterton]

Apparently, while we weren't looking, New Zealand has become a police state. They've clamped down on gun ownership, and police can set up random roadblocks and checkpoints, and enter your home without a warrant. Police "may do anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance" of lockdown measures. And at the time they began these measures in April they'd had like 1 1/2 corona deaths on the whole island, lol.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Police alert level 4 powers mean officers can set up roadblocks

 

[redleghunter]

Apparently, while we weren't looking, New Zealand has become a police state. They've clamped down on gun ownership, and police can set up random roadblocks and checkpoints, and enter your home without a warrant. Police "may do anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance" of lockdown measures. And at the time they began these measures in April they'd had like 1 1/2 corona deaths on the whole island, lol.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Police alert level 4 powers mean officers can set up roadblocks

This is what despots do.

 

[Kentonio]

Given New Zealand is one of the nicest countries on earth, I suspect this won’t be a problem.

 

[Tolworth John]

Apparently, while we weren't looking, New Zealand has become a police state. They've clamped down on gun ownership, and police can set up random roadblocks and checkpoints, and enter your home without a warrant. Police "may do anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance" of lockdown measures. And at the time they began these measures in April they'd had like 1 1/2 corona deaths on the whole island, lol.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Police alert level 4 powers mean officers can set up roadblocks

In the pursuit of a criminal there is very little the police cannot do.
That they tend to seek to enter property with a warrant is merely to cut down on the legal complications if they are wrong.

What should alarm you is when the police start questioning people who are legally attending church.

 

[Sunshinee777]

So there wasn´t any protest about it?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Apparently, while we weren't looking, New Zealand has become a police state. They've clamped down on gun ownership, and police can set up random roadblocks and checkpoints, and enter your home without a warrant. Police "may do anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance" of lockdown measures. And at the time they began these measures in April they'd had like 1 1/2 corona deaths on the whole island, lol.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Police alert level 4 powers mean officers can set up roadblocks

Doesn't everyone want to use a thermos nuclear device to kill a fly?

 

[Speedwell]

So there wasn´t any protest about it?

There were some, fringe nutcakes mostly; ant-vaxxers, 5G conspiracy theorists, etc.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Anti-lockdown protesters clash with police in Melbourne

 

[grasping the after wind]

There were some, fringe nutcakes mostly; ant-vaxxers, 5G conspiracy theorists, etc.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Anti-lockdown protesters clash with police in Melbourne

thought we were discussing New Zealand.

 

[Speedwell]

thought we were discussing New Zealand.

Ya got me! It was news in the New Zealand papers, so maybe there weren't any there.

 

[kiwimac]

We recognise that difficult times require difficult responses. But these things will pass as they do.

 

[JIMINZ]

We recognise that difficult times require difficult responses. But these things will pass as they do.

Just a question.

What if things don't pass and return to normal as they use to be, what if anything would you be able to do about it?

The Government now knows just how easily it can shut things down and control the population, so, if and when they want to really become a Police State, is there any way for you to resist?

 

[kiwimac]

Just a question.

What if things don't pass and return to normal as they use to be, what if anything would you be able to do about it?

The Government now knows just how easily it can shut things down and control the population, so, if and when they want to really become a Police State, is there any way for you to resist?

NZ has been much closer to being a police state in the past under the Muldoon government and earlier, actually (see 1951 Wharf Strikes). We passed through that, I fail to see why that would not occur now. NZers are kind of odd people we don't quibble much when a government takes on unusual powers FOR A REASON. God help 'em if they don't relinquish those powers when the reason passes. While we are not much for violent protests (but do see 1981 Springbok tour ) we are very good at mulish stubbornness.

More to the point; how does a population be they ever so well armed attack a government which has armies at their disposal?

 

[Occams Barber]

Apparently, while we weren't looking, New Zealand has become a police state. They've clamped down on gun ownership, and police can set up random roadblocks and checkpoints, and enter your home without a warrant. Police "may do anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance" of lockdown measures. And at the time they began these measures in April they'd had like 1 1/2 corona deaths on the whole island, lol.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Police alert level 4 powers mean officers can set up roadblocks

As of right now New Zealand has had 21 Covid 19 deaths, or 4 per million population.

The US has had 91,981 deaths, or 278 deaths per million population.

This means that, after allowing for population difference, the US death rate is 70 times that of New Zealand.

Could it be that stringent lockdown, combined with early action and quarantine, can be justified by saved lives?

OB

 

[Chesterton]

More to the point; how does a population be they ever so well armed attack a government which has armies at their disposal?

Maybe you could ask Afghanistan or Vietnam.

As of right now New Zealand has had 21 Covid 19 deaths, or 4 per million population.

The US has had 91,981 deaths, or 278 deaths per million population.

This means that, after allowing for population difference, the US death rate is 70 times that of New Zealand.

Could it be that stringent lockdown, combined with early action and quarantine, can be justified by saved lives?

Obviously there are trade-offs between liberty and safety. We could eliminate almost 100% of automobile accident deaths by outlawing automobiles. We could eliminate most domestic violence against women and children by legislating that cameras be installed in every room of every home. I just value liberty highly.

 

[Occams Barber]

Obviously there are trade-offs between liberty and safety. We could eliminate almost 100% of automobile accident deaths by outlawing automobiles.

The US has laws restricting who can drive, where they can drive, at what speed they can drive, when they must stop, under what circumstances they can't drive and, you can be stopped by police for a breach or suspected breach of these laws. Your liberty is obviously compromised.

We could eliminate most domestic violence against women and children by legislating that cameras be installed in every room of every home. I just value liberty highly.

Under your laws, the movements of a potentially offending partner can be restricted to maintain distance from (usually) his domestic partner. Once again liberty is compromised.

Your liberty is frequently compromised for the greater good. You're just not aware of it. We are constantly trying to balance individual rights against collective responsibilities. You need to recognise that many countries place a little more emphasis on collective responsibility than you appear to.

OB

 

[kiwimac]

Maybe you could ask Afghanistan or Vietnam.

Obviously there are trade-offs between liberty and safety. We could eliminate almost 100% of automobile accident deaths by outlawing automobiles. We could eliminate most domestic violence against women and children by legislating that cameras be installed in every room of every home. I just value liberty highly.

Liberty is useless if there is no one to share it with.

 

[Chesterton]

The US has laws restricting who can drive, where they can drive, at what speed they can drive, when they must stop, under what circumstances they can't drive and, you can be stopped by police for a breach or suspected breach of these laws. Your liberty is obviously compromised.

Under your laws, the movements of a potentially offending partner can be restricted to maintain distance from (usually) his domestic partner. Once again liberty is compromised.

Your liberty is frequently compromised for the greater good. You're just not aware of it. We are constantly trying to balance individual rights against collective responsibilities. You need to recognise that many countries place a little more emphasis on collective responsibility than you appear to.

I began my reply by recognizing that there are trade-offs, and you just echo that by saying some liberty is compromised. Of course it is. The American colonists weren't anarchists; they didn't mind laws. What they minded were breaches of basic human rights like uninvited strangers coming into their homes without lawfully prescribed warrants, as they can do in New Zealand now.

 

[mindlight]

Apparently, while we weren't looking, New Zealand has become a police state. They've clamped down on gun ownership, and police can set up random roadblocks and checkpoints, and enter your home without a warrant. Police "may do anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance" of lockdown measures. And at the time they began these measures in April they'd had like 1 1/2 corona deaths on the whole island, lol.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Police alert level 4 powers mean officers can set up roadblocks

Some 350000 to 400000 New Zealanders use guns in some form or capacity. Recent restrictions in response to the mosque shooting are probably making the country a safer place. It is still possible to own a gun and in some cases useful e.g. in the wild. NZs response to this Pandemic is blessed by being an island but obviously they have been radically more successful than the USA in containing the viruses spread. The police are subject to the rule of law so calling it a police state is a little much

 

[Chesterton]

The police are subject to the rule of law so calling it a police state is a little much

If you put it that way, then sure, King George III's soldiers were subject to some rule of law, as were the gestapo, and everybody else.

 

[JIMINZ]

Liberty is useless if there is no one to share it with.

A Police State is much better when it is shared with a crowed isn't it?

But then again you aren't allowed to have a crowed in a Police State are you?