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Police Disperse Peaceful Protesters With Tear Gas for Trump's Bible Photo-Op

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by A_Thinker, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. RocksInMyHead

    RocksInMyHead God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!

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    Yes, I'm sure that all the same people were there. It's almost as if two different groups of people can be in the same location at different times!
    /sarcasm

    However, regardless of whether or not the same individuals were present, the protesters were peaceful when they were dispersed on Monday evening. You can't argue with the footage that has been posted.
     
  2. lasthero

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    I mean, be honest - Trump has said and done dumber things.
     
  3. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    Didn't check his calendar?

    Are you seriously arguing that the SecDef's aides don't brief his calendar to him every morning?

    If this had been planned, the city would have known about it and would have already blocked the street. That's how they always handle movements of the president through the city streets.
     
  4. lasthero

    lasthero Newbie

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    I mean, you can.

    Poorly.
     
  5. iluvatar5150

    iluvatar5150 Well-Known Member

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    Well, the Episcopal church formed from the Anglican church, which was formed when Henry VIII got mad at the pope for not granting him an annulment.

    Maybe Trump was trying to stick his thumb in the eye of the Catholic Church for not bowing to the wishes of another authoritarian who had many wives, lavish tastes, perpetual risk of bankruptcy, and a penchant for manipulating the church for his own, selfish ends.

    trump_henry8b.jpg

    Or you're just wrong.
     
  6. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Never occurred to you that Esper was wrong... maybe someone told him they were going to talk to the troops and lied to him?
     
  7. RocksInMyHead

    RocksInMyHead God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!

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    My comment was intended more as a dig at the poster - Trump did visit the shrine of St. John Paul II in a totally separate (and apparently planned) event yesterday. The poster appears to have confused the two events, not recognizing the difference between a two-hundred-year-old Episcopal church and a Roman Catholic shrine to a saint canonized six years ago.
     
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  8. RocksInMyHead

    RocksInMyHead God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!

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    Fair point.
     
  9. Tiberius Lee

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    I would have agreed with you if Floyd case was an isolated issue. If it was an isolated issue then I could agree that this has nothing to do with race but just some isolated incident. But time after time innocent African American dies in the hand of police and nothing changes. Just two months ago an African American jogger ( Ahmaud Arbery) died in the hand of off duty cop and initially the investigator cleared the cop of any wrong doing. So it is not just the off duty cop who did wrong but entire department covered up the incident, until it came to light and state investigator got involved. I can go on and on about other incident and how the department of police has handled them , but I think you get the point.

    Can you give me 2-3 incident where innocent white Americans died in the hands of police and department cleared those police officer of any wrongdoing?

    I could agree with you that “ protesting on the street “ is not the way to do, if there were other way to change this culture. But is there any other way ? African American football player peacefully kneeling on the filed during national anthem , many people didn’t like that, now they are protesting on the street and many people don’t like that.. at what point do you say enough is enough .. how long can African American sit by and watch their daughter and son’s are killed by police officer and the department cover them up?

    What is your suggestions ? innocent African Americans dies in the hands of Police officer and we say “ that’s the way it is” ?
     
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  10. Tiberius Lee

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    "People have a right to self defense" – there you go . People are defending themselves from Police brutality. Only difference between “2nd amendment defender” and these “protesters” is “2nd amendment defender” will use “guns “ to defend themselves and these “protester” are using their “ voice” to defend themselves.
     
  11. DaisyDay

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    Or death - the reason for this protest.
     
  12. RDKirk

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    Yes, I can. It's not purely a racial issue, but it's definitely influenced by race. At base, however, it's a police issue. Police are no longer in the role of "keeping the peace" but are "enforcing the law," and the law is written for the benefit of the upper class.

    In the five or six times I've dealt with the police over the last half century, the only time I've been disrespected has been by black police. Being stopped by black police puts me at little more ease than being stopped by white police. It's not just a racial issue, at base it's a police issue.
     
  13. BNR32FAN

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    Id have to know the details of the case with the jogger to make any kind of educated assessment. But that’s case is not similar to this one because no one tried to cover up anything to protect the 4 officers in this case. They were all fired and are suspects under investigation. I think your claim that the “entire police dept tried to cover up” the incident involving the jogger is most definitely an exaggeration. I think names of individuals would be more accurate than suggesting that the entire police force was involved. That’s the kind of talk that is causing the whole issue between the people and the police. If the Minneapolis police are against black people you would think there we could find other similar cases of brutality from this department, but we don’t. Where did the incident with the jogger take place, was it Minneapolis?
     
  14. A_Thinker

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    Presumption ... is not an American value ...
     
  15. Subduction Zone

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    Illegal orders can be legally be resisted. Yes, one may be arrested, but then the police can be sued for false arrest. Just because the President or a police officer gives an order does not make it lawful.

    How was the order to disperse lawful?
     
  16. Tiberius Lee

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    Ahmaud Arbery Shooting: A Timeline of the Case

    Ahmaud Arbery Shooting: A Timeline of the Case

    The shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery: A timeline of a case that's gripping the nation


    State of Minnesota files civil rights charge against Minneapolis Police Department

    State of Minnesota files civil rights charge against Minneapolis Police Department
     
  17. Bibocious

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    I am new to this forum and amazed that there are atheist, agnostics, and other non-believers speaking truth, and so-called Christians hitching their wagon to an obvious deceiver.

    First, the curfew itself is unlawful. The original charter (not the 1871+ modifications to the Constitution) shows the government is not to infringe upon people’s right to peaceably assemble and petition. Additional proof is the fact that even though these cops are arresting people, they have to release them without charges. Anyway, it is the MSM’s use of protest in lieu of petition, and MSM and the undercover cops who are instigating most of the violence.

    Second, the Constitution is rules the government is forbidden to violate. They are not your rights per say, your rights are unalienable and issue naturally from God. You are the people that wrote these rules for the government to follow. They are not following them and have instead convince you that they are your rights not their rules to follow.

    The original Constitution was created with Christian dogma in mind, that is, the true Christian is not under the law, and an extension of which is We the People are not under law. Why, because neither is supposed to violate law; therefore, the laws are not written for US. Why does law exist (1 Tim 1:9-10)?

    Third, and this is for the so-called Christians. If your carnal treasures are in danger, it is your natural right to carnally protect them. Since God requires total surrender of life and goods in His service, to trust in government to protect your carnal treasures is a form of idolatry. If the thief breaks in and steals your earthly treasures, it is your fault, not God’s. However, since you are determined to save your life instead of lose it, you better keep propping up your government head instead of Christ; but quit trying to incorporate Christ into your folly by “posing” as a Christian.

    Finally, why would Christians care to protect or “protest” a flesh existence? Why care I for the rudiments of the world? My King is Christ, my government the Kingdom of God. I am not of this world (1 Jn 4:4-6). In my opinion, you are a fool to defend or trust in any government. There is nothing between righteous people and God, especially government. Government is there for the transgressors, government’s only threat to real Christians is their hate from their true master. They want you dead, but you are supposed to be dead already.
     
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  18. Bobber

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    There's 800,000 law enforcement officers in the United States. Think of it as 8 NFL sized football stadiums and in every seat there is a cop. Isn't it reasonable to conclude that at any one time you could have even a few hundred of bad cops doing stupid things. They'd fill up only on very small section of one stadium.

    So what if we're going to talk about REALITY what can anyone reasonably hope to achieve? Are the expectations that a country can create a brand new UTOPIA where you'll NEVER, EVER, EVER see an atrocity take place again? Because we know that's not possible for the sheer numbers of cops in the nation would make that impossible (you can even have 5% go off the rails) so what do we do....destroy the nation each and every time these take place when maybe 95% of cops are good?

    So what's the answer. Police YES need to work doubly hard to show that they're trying. Granted I think police unions need to back off from always wanting to get a cop off of complaints. If they've got multiple, multiple things like that on their record it doesn't seem quite right. Some have suggested that maybe they need to federalize all police....have one training program.....on the flip side of that though....a slippery slope......a very easy way to slide into having a national dictator.

    All I"m saying there's things that can be done, and should be done and it'll always be a thing that police have to look at it honestly and sincerely however there will be NO some new UTOPIA of zero problems. If this actually becomes the demand with 800K officers and we won't actually allow PEACE until UTOPIA is realized than I'd think most would agree nation is doomed. It'd have be for you just aren't going to have 800,000 always be doing the right thing.
     
  19. TLK Valentine

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    Yes, the hashtags were rather clever; alas I cannot repeat them here.
     
  20. wing2000

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    Your utter refusal to acknowledge the reality of the situation is noted.
     
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