Guilty: Verdict reached in trial of Derek Chauvin, ex-officer accused in George Floyd's death

[SummerMadness]

Police chief testifies that restraint of George Floyd 'absolutely' violated policy, ethics of department

The city's top cop told the court Monday that former officer Derek Chauvin's restraint of George Floyd "absolutely" violates department policy and goes against "our ethics and our values."

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo testified about police training and tactics, but he wasn't allowed to discuss the firing of Chauvin, who is charged in Floyd's death.

UPDATE:
Derek Chauvin Guilty of Murder in George Floyd Death

Derek Chauvin was found guilty of two counts of murder on Tuesday in the death of George Floyd, whose final breaths last May under the knee of Mr. Chauvin, a former Minneapolis police officer, were captured on video, setting off months of protests against the police abuse of Black people.

After deliberating for about 10 hours over two days following an emotional trial that lasted three weeks, the jury found Mr. Chauvin, who is white, guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter for the killing of Mr. Floyd, a Black man, on a street corner last year on Memorial Day.

Mr. Chauvin faces up to 40 years in prison when he is sentenced in the coming weeks but is likely to receive far less time. The presumptive sentence for second-degree murder is 12.5 years, according to Minnesota’s sentencing guidelines, although the state has asked for a higher sentence.

 

[SummerMadness]

Emergency physician says Floyd probably died because he was deprived of oxygen, says heart attack unlikely

Bradford Langenfeld, the emergency physician who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital, testified on Monday that Floyd arrived at the Hennepin County Medical Center on the night of May 25 without a heartbeat and suffering from a form of cardiac arrest most typically associated with asphyxiation or traumatic bleeding.

Under questioning from prosecutor Jerry Blackwell, Langenfeld described the details of Floyd’s condition upon arrival at the hospital emergency department and doctors’ efforts to restart his heart and save his life.

“For the majority of his time in our emergency department, he was in PEA arrest,” Langenfeld said, referring to pulseless electrical activity, which he said typically derives from a lack of oxygen to bodily tissue or from severe bleeding.

Blackwell asked whether Floyd was ever in a state in which he would have been considered “shockable” — in which the jolt of a defibrillator, for example, might have restarted his heart to beat on its own.

“No,” Langenfeld said.

Langenfeld, who noted that such a state is more typical of someone who has suffered a heart attack rather than asphyxiation, also said that Floyd did not appear to display the signs of “excited delirium” caused by drug use and that the paramedics did not report that to him.

 

[SummerMadness]

The more I watch and read testimony from this trial, the more it is apparent this was a public daytime murder.

 

[Lion IRC]

"...restraint of George Floyd 'absolutely' violated policy, ethics of Dept."

WOW.
You mean the police DONT have a policy of deliberately strangling/choking suspects to death?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The more I watch and read testimony from this trial, the more it is apparent this was a public daytime murder.

It does not look good for the defense.

 

[Der Alte]

The more I watch and read testimony from this trial, the more it is apparent this was a public daytime murder.

Is that a fact?
Care to review the Hennepin county coroner autopsy? Do you know what the primary physical evidence for death by strangulation is? See A. and B. Some folks read, hear and see what they want to.

George F1oyd
20-3700
Page 2
III'. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facia1, ora1 mucosal, or conjunctiva1 petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngea1 structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skul1, or brain injuries
D. No chest wa11 soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a sing1e rib fracture from CPR), vertebra1 column injuries, or viscera1 injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and 1atera1 neck, shou1ders, back, f1anks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma
***
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hen...lic-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf​

 

[Pommer]

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[Der Alte]

Asphyxiation needn’t damage tissues.

And you got your medical license where? How 'bout that petechial
hemorrhaging?

 

[Pommer]

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[Der Alte]

I shan’t report your goading but please try and not attack posters. Thank you.

You gave a medical opinion, please explain to me how me asking if you have a medical license is goading?

 

[Pommer]

You gave a medical opinion, please explain to me how me asking if you have a medical license is goading?

You know what?
Nevermind, I’ll ax my posts and you have yourself a very fine evening.

 

[Yttrium]

Is that a fact?
Care to review the Hennepin county coroner autopsy? Do you know what the primary physical evidence for death by strangulation is? See A. and B. Some folks read, hear and see what they want to.

George F1oyd
20-3700
Page 2
III'. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facia1, ora1 mucosal, or conjunctiva1 petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngea1 structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skul1, or brain injuries
D. No chest wa11 soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a sing1e rib fracture from CPR), vertebra1 column injuries, or viscera1 injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and 1atera1 neck, shou1ders, back, f1anks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma
***
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hen...lic-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf​

Thanks. I am now pretty much convinced that Chauvin didn't grab Floyd's neck with both hands and strangle him to death.

This is not considered to be a case of strangulation (which blocks the flow of oxygen to the brain), This is considered to be a case of asphyxiation.

Strangling - Wikipedia
Asphyxia - Wikipedia

 

[Der Alte]

Thanks. I am now pretty much convinced that Chauvin didn't grab Floyd's neck with both hands and strangle him to death.

Thank you for the snark. The definition of strangulation does not specify by hand.
I had to have abdominal surgery in '09 because, according to the Dr., I had a section of colon which was in danger of strangulating.

What is the meaning of strangulation?
1 : the action or process of strangling or strangulating. 2 : the state of being strangled or strangulated especially : excessive or pathological constriction or compression of a bodily tube (such as a blood vessel or a loop of intestine) that interrupts its ability to act as a passage.
Strangulation | Definition of Strangulation by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com ›​

 

[Yttrium]

Thank you for the snark. The definition of strangulation does not specify by hand.
I had to have abdominal surgery in '09 because, according to the Dr., I had a section of colon which was in danger of strangulating.

What is the meaning of strangulation?
1 : the action or process of strangling or strangulating. 2 : the state of being strangled or strangulated especially : excessive or pathological constriction or compression of a bodily tube (such as a blood vessel or a loop of intestine) that interrupts its ability to act as a passage.
Strangulation | Definition of Strangulation by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com ›​

Ah, you posted shortly after my edit. See above. Your definition for strangling is irrelevant.

 

[Der Alte]

Ah, you posted shortly after my edit. See above. Your definition for strangling is irrelevant.

Hardly. Look up petechial hemorhhrage.

 

[Yttrium]

Hardly. Look up petechial hemorhhrage.

From Petechia - Wikipedia:

Petechiae on the face and conjunctiva (eyes) are unrelated to asphyxiation or hypoxia.[8]

Despite this, petechiae are used by police investigators in determining whether strangulation has been part of an attack. The documentation of the presence of petechiae on a victim can help police investigators prove the case.[9] Petechiae resulting from strangulation can be relatively tiny and light in color to very bright and pronounced. Petechiae may be seen on the face, in the whites of the eyes or on the inside of the eyelids.

Again, this is considered to be a case of asphyxiation, not strangling.

 

[SummerMadness]

No one ever said George Floyd was strangled. It's apparent from the video that this is the case, so why this red herring?

 

[Der Alte]

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What is more likely is the Floyd family for sufficient funds found a "medical examiner" who would give them the answer they wanted. The same thing happened in the Michael Brown shooting. But the photographic evidence blew him away.
Unless that "medical examiner" can produce photographic to support his claim that is my position.
I haven't examined all the videos but from what I have seen Floyd was not asphyxiated by Chauvin's knee. I decided to test my theory cool and calm I stood with my head and chest pressed against a wall with my head turned to the side. I could easily place my clenched fist between my neck and the wall. I could breathe normally.
So how was Floyd asphyxiated? Certainly not by Chauvin's knee. There was no way Chauvin's knee could press Floyd's neck down approximately 2.5 inches to the point that his breathing would be impaired.
Apropos of nothing Chauvin has a famous name. From a staunch French patriot Nicolaus Chauvin we get the term "Chauvinism" who supported Napoleon even after he fell into disfavor.

 

[iluvatar5150]

What is more likely is the Floyd family for sufficient funds found a "medical examiner" who would give them the answer they wanted. The same thing happened in the Michael Brown shooting. But the photographic evidence blew him away.
Unless that "medical examiner" can produce photographic to support his claim that is my position.
I haven't examined all the videos but from what I have seen Floyd was not asphyxiated by Chauvin's knee. I decided to test my theory cool and calm I stood with my head and chest pressed against a wall with my head turned to the side. I could easily place my clenched fist between my neck and the wall. I could breathe normally.
So how was Floyd asphyxiated? Certainly not by Chauvin's knee. There was no way Chauvin's knee could press Floyd's neck down approximately 2.5 inches to the point that his breathing would be impaired.
Apropos of nothing Chauvin has a famous name. From a staunch French patriot Nicolaus Chauvin we get the term "Chauvinism" who supported Napoleon even after he fell into disfavor.

What makes you think that neck compression is required here?

 

[Der Alte]

From Petechia - Wikipedia:
Again, this is considered to be a case of asphyxiation, not strangling.

Strangulation is not limited to compression with the hands.
You have got to be kidding. Wiki? Wiki is about as reliable as the scribblings on a public facility wall. Anybody can post, change, delete anything without review or control. I have done it a few time to prove to show scoffers that it can be done.

Petechial Hemorrhage
A petechial hemorrhage is a tiny pinpoint red mark that is an important sign of asphyxia caused by some external means of obstructing the airways. They are sometimes also called petechiae. Their presence often indicates a death by manual strangulation, hanging, or smothering. The hemorrhages occur when blood leaks from the tiny capillaries in the eyes, which can rupture due to increased pressure on the veins in the head when the airways are obstructed. If petechial hemorrhages and facial congestion are present, it is a strong indication of asphyxia by strangulation as the cause of death .

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/petechial-hemorrhage
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Petechial hemorrhages are ruptures of the (microscopic) capillaries that provide blood to the body’s cells. Oxygenated blood travels from the heart through vessels (called arteries) of sequentially smaller and smaller size until they become the smallest vessels, called capillaries. Blood eventually returns to the heart through sequentially larger and larger vessels (called veins) in order to be reoxygenated. If the veins in an area of the body are obstructed or compressed, blood flow back to the heart from beyond such a point can be impeded. In these circumstances, blood will still flow through the arteries, but it will be (fully or partially) prevented from flowing back to the heart through the veins. Rather, blood will collect more distal to the compression, for example in a leg, arm or the head. This may result in a spike in blood pressure in that area, which, in turn, causes the rupture of the capillaries. These ruptures cause petechial hemorrhages. One possible cause of such petechial hemorrhages is a compression of the neck sufficient to compress the veins, but insufficient either to compress the arteries or cause a cardiac arrest.
Petechial Hemorrhages — Medilex: The Experts on Medical Experts ​

I'm burdened by this old fashioned idea "Guilty until PROVEN guilty." That does not mean the group that can shout the loudest.