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Pete Buttigieg has said that religious freedom must be curbed if it is used to “harm,”

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Chrystal-J, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Chrystal-J

    Chrystal-J the one who stands firm to the end will be saved Supporter

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    Democratic primary candidate Pete Buttigieg has said that religious freedom must be curbed if it is used to “harm,” prompting calls for clarification about what the presidential hopeful considers grounds for restricting religious practice.

    Adam Wren, a reporter for Indianapolis Monthly, tweeted on Sunday that he asked Buttigieg “how he would approach religious freedom broadly.”

    Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and candidate for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president, responded that “[t]he touchstone has to be the idea that religious freedom like any other freedom is constrained when it becomes a rationale for doing harm.”

    Link: Buttigieg's comments on restricting religious freedom prompt calls for clarification
     
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  2. Chrystal-J

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    I would say the fact that he went to Catholic school would hold no bearing on whether he's a man of faith or not, even the devil knows the bible.
     
  3. RileyG

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    He's Episcopalian and completely left the Catholic Church.

    I doubt he will be president or even if the Democratic candidate in 2020, for that matter.
     
  4. Grumman Tomcat

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    This thread had to be severely pruned due to two issues:
    Members who do not truly share the core beliefs and teachings of a specific congregational forum may post in fellowship or ask questions, but they may not teach or debate within the forum.
    Offensive derogatory nicknames and egregious inflammatory comments about public figures may be considered goading.

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  5. Fenwick

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    Lapsed Catholics who use Catholic school for street cred are as qualified to speak on matters of the faith as John Candy is to speak on a good cardio workout.
     
  6. Wolseley

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    John Candy is dead. Melissa McCarthy, however..... :D
     
  7. Basil the Great

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    A new Iowa poll out today has Mayor Pete in a virtual tie for 1st place with 19%, just 1 point behind Elizabeth Warren at 20%. Still, it would seem that the odds that he can go all the way and win the nomination are rather slim.
     
  8. Fenwick

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    Exactly.
     
  9. chevyontheriver

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    But he has raised LOTS of money. Some other candidates are almost broke. I think he will be among the last to drop out and he might go all the way. Don't count him out. That said I'm not voting for him either.
     
  10. Basil the Great

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    Yes, I do expect him to be one of the last four standing and maybe even among the last three. If Warren were to surprise me and get the nomination, then I think she would almost certainly pick a man for VP and Mayor Pete would probably be on her short list.
     
  11. Halbhh

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    I entirely agree with the article in the OP link. I'd encourage everyone to actually read fully through the article in the OP link, as it is well written and informative.

    The essential error in Buttigieg's position in terms of public policy is that ultimately he seems to be saying that religious organizations could not require new hires to be aligned to their beliefs in the instance where those beliefs include a special emphasis against a certain sexual orientation.

    To me, that's simply a wrongful idea.

    Here's the argument I think might effectively counter that idea in the public arena (which will be mostly non Christian):

    An alcoholics' rehabilitation facility should be able to discriminate in hiring as to whether the potential new hire is sober, non-alcoholic, and is willing to commit to remain sober.

    So also, any religious organization, A-Z, that wants to require any certain sexual behavior rules of their employees also has the same right to hire only people committing to those specific rules.

    (This is a way to speak to the secular world about the potential secular law.)
     
  12. Halbhh

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    Fortunately a president isn't much like a king though in terms of creating laws (although they try in the last couple of decades to do a lot by changing policies under direct control of the executive). Even whatever does pass Congress will often be subjected to review by the Supreme Court.

    But my guess is it will remain true that almost nothing a candidate proposes would ever get enacted just the way he/she proposes. If even anything gets enacted, it seems it will continue to be radically unlike their campaign proposals.
     
  13. chevyontheriver

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    I can't see the Dems going with Biden as he is so confused. He's way past his prime. Trump will eat him for lunch and everyone knows it. I can't see them going with Warren as she is way too left for even that bunch of leftists. Ditto for Bernie. Every candidate out there is farther left than even Obama was. Kamila is pretty well done. Who else do they have? Andrew Yang or what's her name from Minnesota? That's why I think unless Hillary or Michelle jumps in it's going to be Mayor Pete.

    But I could be way wrong.

    I do think that any (ANY) Dem of that bunch that becomes president will push LGBTQWERTY observance down the throats of religious believers if they at all can. Much like Obama pushed birth control on the Little Sisters of the Poor. All MUST bow down to the new societal rules, and hiding behind religion, guns, Bibles, and the like will not be tolerated. The constitution will protect us for a while.
     
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  14. Basil the Great

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    The problem with Mayor Pete is that he has virtually no support in the Black community, which experts say accounts for about 25% of the Democratic Primary vote. Unless he starts to build at least some modest support there, his only hope might be a brokered convention where the top 4 candidates all have about the same number of delegates.
     
  15. chevyontheriver

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    You have a point. I think they will come around though. After all the Black community votes overwhelmingly for Democrats and Democrats are huge for abortion, and targeting abortion to the same Black community. Black evangelicals may not like the idea of voting for a homosexual, but they know how to vote for abortion pretty well. Sadly. They can overcome their distastes. It's not like they would vote for Trump. We'll see. It's Pete's only downside politically right now. I think his homosexuality is actually incredibly politically positive for him right now with Democratic Party power brokers.

    If and when Biden leaves the field there will be a huge realignment. Anything can happen. It will take just a few more straws, things out of Biden's mouth where he is clearly confused, and I think he's done. Stay tuned.
     
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    Wouldn't it be great if Amy Klobuchar surged if and when Biden left?

    In my hoped-for ticket (as I believe the dems are likely to win the general election), Klobuchar would lead the ticket, Klobuchar/someone. At the moment though the odds seem higher for her at best as VP, someone/Klobuchar, if she got on at all (probably Warren/Klobuchar in that possibility), where' it's possible her steady moderating influence still might aid. Elizabeth Warren is smart enough to let someone influence her I think. Mostly what people hear about Warren (mostly) is just painted spin -- not real. In reality she's a down to earth person from Oklahoma (like me), and as she said she is "capitalist to the bone".

    Which she is, but she does believe in taxing the rich more, and in fixing inequality through free stuff, and in regulating capitalism. In other words, in reality she is a classic democrat centrist, like Obama, and it's only spin when we hear political talking points to try to paint her as more 'liberal' than that, as if she were Bernie, in many ways. Bernie is, and she isn't. But I'd expect a lot of political spin to make her seem different than she is. One thing I hate about her positions is some Democrat ought to be smart enough to assume a more mainstream view about abortion -- the status quo, about as much as any democrat would go for -- and she ought to be smart enough to do that, and has not, not yet at least. (in reality the real battle on abortion is in individual minds, not really imposed from above by government (which is largely irrelevant imo); government cannot create morals, but only follows what the public decides, lagging. Government is a follower, not a leader.) Any case, think Klobuchar. Would be a lot like Obama I think. Centrist. Many would say 'conservative'.
     
  17. chevyontheriver

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    Klobuchar is more leftist than Obama. Her only appeal would be that she is less leftist that the rest of the current crop of leftists. She is pro-abortion, as they all are, and a thinking and compassionate person should not vote for such people. I'm not suggesting you vote for Trump, just get out of the habit of voting for people who hold morally objectionable positions.
     
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    At least Trump will pledge to protect our religious freedoms. People focus so much on whatever "wrong words" he says and all that, but between him and the Democratic candidates, are we really to believe that the latter will better protect those freedoms than Trump? We can talk until we're blue in the face about Trump's flaws or why Trump is not a "true Christian," but one thing is for sure, he'll fight for the religious freedoms of Christians, when the other side won't.
     
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  19. chevyontheriver

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    I agree with you that in some ways Trump is much better than the Democratic Party alternative. My point being that I have other options than the party of Tweedle Dee and the party of Tweedle Dum. We spend all of our time voting against someone and we end up not voting for someone good, but settling for someone else to stop the other bad guy. Feels like wasting my vote to me.
     
  20. Halbhh

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    There are some other Republicans running, in the primaries, and if one of them is better, voting for him would help send a message, at least. If Trump sees a lot voting for other Republicans, perhaps he could reflect some on his ways, and even begin to reform more.
     
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