People go bad in their Generation

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I am 56 years old and remember....

1. The old WWI generation of my great grandparents
2. The old WWII generation of my grandparents
3. The Vietnam war generation of my parents

I see huge changes in the generations. Education is become big in this day and time and the ultimate place of accomplishment among the preachers is the coveted DD (Doctorate of Divinity). But... The preaching was better with the old WWI generation, many of which did not have a third grade education. But they studied their bible and lived saintly lives.

I would boldly say that a religious degree is utterly useless if the Spirit of Christ is not accompanied in the experience. And... How I miss the old spirit of generations past! It seems that the educated mind in not conjuring up that which is good for the Church and many times devises mischievous things!
 
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I am 56 years old and remember....

1. The old WWI generation of my great grandparents
2. The old WWII generation of my grandparents
3. The Vietnam war generation of my parents

I see huge changes in the generations. Education is become big in this day and time and the ultimate place of accomplishment among the preachers is the coveted DD (Doctorate of Divinity). But... The preaching was better with the old WWI generation, many of which did not have a third grade education. But they studied their bible and lived saintly lives.

I would boldly say that a religious degree is utterly useless if the Spirit of Christ is not accompanied in the experience. And... How I miss the old spirit of generations past! It seems that the educated mind in not conjuring up that which is good for the Church and many times devises mischievous things!

You have a point. I do believe that Pastor has become a career choice rather than a calling for many a person and that is not a good thing. I don't think that being educated is the cause of that.
 
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You have a point. I do believe that Pastor has become a career choice rather than a calling for many a person and that is not a good thing. I don't think that being educated is the cause of that.

My dad goes to a Lutheran church. The pastor there is in his seventies and is a very saintly guy. When I go there and partake of communion I thank him all the time for his service there. With so many of the younger preachers the ministry is accompanied with an ego, which is always disastrous for the church.
 
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My dad goes to a Lutheran church. The pastor there is in his seventies and is a very saintly guy. When I go there and partake of communion I thank him all the time for his service there. With so many of the younger preachers the ministry is accompanied with an ego, which is always disastrous for the church.

A saintly Pastor is a blessing to a congregation and a Pastor that sees the work as a job rather than a calling needs to be prayed for.
 
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First to meet the guy... The old Virginia Saint Robert Sheffey...

I passed my examinations and that year I was sent to the Wytheville Station and Circuit. That was adjoining my former charge. We reached the old parsonage on the pike just out of Wytheville as Rev. B. W. S. Bishop moved out. Charley Bishop was then a little tow-headed boy. He is now the learned Regent of Southwestern University. The parsonage was an old two-and-a-half-story structure with nine rooms and it looked a little like Hawthorne's house with the seven gables. It was the lonesomest-looking old house I ever saw. There was no one there to meet us, for we had not notified anybody of the time we would arrive.

Think of taking a young bride to that sort of a mansion! But she was brave and showed no sign of disappointment. That first night we felt like two whortleberries in a Virginia tobacco wagonbed. We had room and to spare, but it was scantily furnished with specimens as antique as those in Noah's ark. But in a week or so we were invited out to spend the day with a good family, and when we went back we found the doors fastened just as we had left them, but when we entered a bedroom was elegantly furnished with everything modern and the parlor was in fine shape. The ladies had been there and done the work. How much does the preacher owe to the good women of the Church!

The circuit was a large one, comprising seventeen appointments. They were practically scattered all over the county. I preached every other day, and never less than twice and generally three times on Sunday.

I had associated with me that year a young collegemate, Rev. W. B. Stradley. He was a bright, popular fellow, and we managed to give Wytheville regular Sunday preaching. Stradley became a great preacher and died a few years ago while pastor of Trinity Church, Atlanta, Georgia. We were true yokefellows and did a great work on that charge, held fine revivals and had large ingatherings.

The famous Cripple Creek Campground was on that work. They have kept up campmeetings there for more than a hundred years. It is still the great rallying point for the Methodists of all that section. I have never heard such singing and preaching and shouting anywhere else in my life. I met the Rev. John Boring there and heard him preach. He was a well-known preacher in the conference; original, peculiar, strikingly odd, but a great revival preacher.

One morning in the beginning of the service he was to preach and he called the people to prayer. He prayed loud and long and told the Lord just what sort of a meeting we were expecting and really exhorted the people as to their conduct on the grounds. Among other things, he said we wanted no horse- trading and then related that just before kneeling he had seen a man just outside the encampment looking into the mouth of a horse and he made such a peculiar sound as he described the incident that I lifted up my head to look at him, and he was holding his mouth open with his hands just as the man had done in looking into the horse's mouth! But he was a man of power and wrought well for the Church and for humanity.

The rarest character I ever met in my life I met at that campmeeting in the person of Rev. Robert Sheffy, known as "Bob" Sheffy. He was recognized all over Southwest Virginia as the most eccentric preacher of that country. He was a local preacher; crude, illiterate, queer and the oddest specimen known among preachers. But he was saintly in his life, devout in his experience and a man of unbounded faith. He wandered hither and thither over that section attending meetings, holding revivals and living among the people. He was great in prayer, and Cripple Creek campground was not complete without "Bob" Sheffy. They wanted him there to pray and work in the altar.

He was wonderful with penitents. And he was great in following up the sermon with his exhortations and appeals. He would sometimes spend nearly the whole night in the straw with mourners; and now and then if the meeting lagged he would go out on the mountain and spend the entire night in prayer, and the next morning he would come rushing into the service with his face all aglow shouting at the top of his voice. And then the meeting always broke loose with a floodtide.

He could say the oddest things, hold the most unique interviews with God, break forth in the most unexpected spasms of praise, use the homeliest illustrations, do the funniest things and go through with the most grotesque performances of any man born of woman.

It was just "Bob" Sheffy, and nobody thought anything of what he did and said, except to let him have his own way and do exactly as he pleased. In anybody else it would not have been tolerated for a moment. In fact, he acted more like a crazy man than otherwise, but he was wonderful in a meeting. He would stir the people, crowd the mourner's bench with crying penitents and have genuine conversions by the score. I doubt if any man in all that conference has as many souls to his credit in the Lamb's Book of Life as old "Bob" Sheffy.

At the close of that year in casting up my accounts I found that I had received three hundred and ninety dollars for my year's work, and the most of this had been contributed in everything except money. It required about the amount of cash contributed to pay my associate and the Presiding Elder. I got the chickens, the eggs, the butter, the ribs and backbones, the corn, the meat, and the Presiding Elder and Brother Stradley had helped us to eat our part of the quarterage. Well, we kept open house and had a royal time, even if we did not get much ready cash. We lived and had money enough to get a good suit of clothes and to pay our way to conference. What more does a young Methodist preacher need or want? We were satisfied and happy, and these experiences are not to be counted as unimportant assets in the life and work of a Methodist circuit rider. - George Clark Rankin

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Robert Sheffey was Methodist and my church is Pentecostal Holiness, which is an offspring of the Methodist church and started by a Methodist minister in the late 1800's. But... Nobody I know has a saint like character like the one just described.
 
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Theological degrees are not necessary and may even prove counter-productive.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
 
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It is nice when the Christian experience is accompanied with divine nature. Which is a spiritual experience and not something taught in a classroom.

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. - 2 Peter 1:4
 
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I agree with you, Rocky
- About too much focus on academic degrees.
- Not much emphasis on spiritual experience/maturity.
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Modern Church is a system/establishment.
- Methodist movement is an example.
- It became another establishment.
 
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