Pensacola Christian College

[I've Got a Secret]

I know exactly how rude it was, but I don't care.

I'm sorry you don't .... I'm going to PCC... I'm fairly certain that's where God wants me cause I'm getting a whole lot of encouragement from my close adult friends at church.... My youth group is praying for me and I'm willing to abide by all the rules. This is formally my statement... Thank you oakie, for your prayers. It's really appreciated, I'm sorry ifI came off as rude in my last post to you. i was kind of aggrivated... Also thanks to lonnienord for the encouragement. That was awesome... I'm no longer coming to this thread for two reasons... one I'm being insulted as is anyone who tries to be nice to me about it, and two I wanted encouragement in this thread... as I said before I wasn't looking for condemnation.
Peace!

 

[goat37]

Wow... I need to send a bill to CF for a new monitor... I spit out my drink all over it when I read someone post that wearing denim can lead to sin....

It's thought like this, it's rules like this college has, and it's people like this that make me lose a lot of faith and respect in humanity as a whole.

Why don't you burn out your retinas so you can see nothing, then you can't be brought to sin by your eyes... Why don't you burst your ear drums, so your ears can't let you hear anything that would lead to sin, why don't you cut off your nose so your sense of smell cannot lead you astray... why not cut off your hands so you cannot feel anything that would involve too much temptation?
If that sounds absurd... you're absolutely right, but so is exactly what was mentioned in this thread.

It saddens me that people have absolutely no will power of their own, and must remove everything from their lives due to fear. It's pathetic really.

 

[lonnienord]

I know exactly how rude it was, but I don't care.

you have a lot of growing up to do!!

Dear JESUS help MrDude to get to know YOU and YOUR Awesome Love!!

May GOD bless you Mr Dude

all for JESUS
lonnie

 

[bliz]

Choosing to wear denim is sinning?????

can lead to sin and isn't professional.

Please, tell me how the choice of fabric can lead to sin. I myself am quite fond of denim. It wears well, is very washable, is not see-through or clingy... the leading-to-sin-nature of denim eludes me.

I agree, denim is not professional. A few colleges (I used to recruit for one) require professional attire when students attend class and perhaps that is why PCC does this.

But you really will have to clarify your position on the sin-inducing-qualities of denim. Do all cotton weaves share this quality, or only the blue ones? Is denim less likely to incite sin when it isn't blue?

 

[lonnienord]

anything can lead to sin. i think the point is that the school has rules. people know the rules up front if they coose to live by those rules and go to that school GOD will bless them. Those who choose not to go to that school may also be blessed.

 

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

I don't really understand how someone can SUCCESSFULLY complete a Nursing Practical Session in skirts, hose and heels!!!

That, for example, when learning sterile technique would be wrong attire. For learning how to use a hoist, you'd be in serious danger of losing modesty!

Bliz, maybe you need to expand a little - I'm unsure why professionalism is needed for everyday lectures. For classes on how to conduct yourself in an interview, yes, but for regular everyday lectures and tutes???

Sasch

 

[I've Got a Secret]

Please, tell me how the choice of fabric can lead to sin. I myself am quite fond of denim. It wears well, is very washable, is not see-through or clingy... the leading-to-sin-nature of denim eludes me.

I agree, denim is not professional. A few colleges (I used to recruit for one) require professional attire when students attend class and perhaps that is why PCC does this.

But you really will have to clarify your position on the sin-inducing-qualities of denim. Do all cotton weaves share this quality, or only the blue ones? Is denim less likely to incite sin when it isn't blue?

I think the whole point is that denim jeans are typically made form fitting, tight and revealing... I agree with him (I love jeans, don't get me wrong, but jeans any more are becoming more and more imodest (sp?).) When the only pair of jeans a girl can find show every curve and bump I tend to pass by them without looking twice.

 

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

It depends where you look, secret...

I agree with you - a lot of 'teen-directed' stores are stocking tight, hipster style jeans (which don't fit me at all - I have a pear bum and a VERY tiny waist - therefore what fits me normally, just won't go over the butt!)...

However - don't be so restricting of where you shop. I went to a shop that caters for more 'mature' women, and found the greatest pair of comfy jeans (that I could wear horseriding if I wanted to) I've ever bought - and much cheaper than what those 'young adult' stores were selling them at.

Sometimes we just have to go outside of the norm...

Sasch

 

[alldogsDONOTgotoheaven]

I don't know why everyone keeps telling you about the rules when you don't care..if you don't care then fine! I hope you can deal with them.

But have you thought about how sterile they make the environment? It's not AT ALL like real life...and I doubt it's like any mission field you'd go on. You said you wanted to go into missions and while you may be prepared spiritually, what about in other ways? What about Evangelism? Doesn't seem like many opportunities there. You may have to think more independently. You also will probably be associating with people very different from you and learning to try to fit in a different culture on the missions field. You're being isolated in a little Conservative Christian bubble..not at all what you will experience on a mission field. Perhaps you can learn the lessons you will need in other ways (like if you've been on short term missions trips and such). But you're not being taught to relate to different people or different cultures...everyone has to act the same way. Rules can just get too much sometimes..but it's not just rules. It's attitudes and attitudes about enforcing rules. Jesus was very clear that following a bunch of rules wasn't as important as following God and the condition of your heart. Also being able to make decisions and mistakes and learning from them. I don't know..if it's where God is calling you then he can use it. But is it really the best place to prepare you for missions work?
Oh and as for learning a language...Spanish is good if you want to work say in central or south america..but even then there are so many differences between countries! But learning another language is a great idea. I think French actually is after English (and Chinese!) as far as spoken languages. Not sure if it still is. (hey French and English are the two official languages of the Olympics!)

 

[I've Got a Secret]

Cunstructive ctiticism... I can deal with that... YEah, Spanish was what I was thinking cause it is like the third popular language stading next to English and Arabic. But i didn't think french was all that big of one.

 

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

I think that's the main concern I had - I just couldn't construct my post properly!

I fear, for what you are wanting to do, this kind of environment could make you more 'sheltered', whereas for evangelism and missions in particular, you kind of need to know how to practically apply the lessons to the field you want to work in, and therefore need to be more 'exposed' to the environment. I personally can't see how well this could work, in the kind of environment described by PCC.

I'm a salvation army member, and we have a great college (called The War College) in Vancouver, and it's located in the middle of the biggest slum around. Basically you live, breathe and eat mission every day. You're classes are held in the slums, in the mission field. You board in a half-way house with those trying to clean their act up - it's real front-line kind of stuff...

I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for - but for me, if I was set on missions, I'd be looking for somewhere that taught me in the middle of the warzone!


If what I described DOES interest you, or anyone else for that matter - check out www.thewarcollege.com

Sasch

 

[madame_queen]

yay alldogs! you've articulated what I (and I believe everyone else here) have been trying to say!

 

[bliz]

I don't really understand how someone can SUCCESSFULLY complete a Nursing Practical Session in skirts, hose and heels!!!

That, for example, when learning sterile technique would be wrong attire. For learning how to use a hoist, you'd be in serious danger of losing modesty!

Bliz, maybe you need to expand a little - I'm unsure why professionalism is needed for everyday lectures. For classes on how to conduct yourself in an interview, yes, but for regular everyday lectures and tutes???

Sasch

Well, in point of fact, women have been learning to do everything there is to be done in nursing wearing skirts and hose for rather a long time. I'm not suggesting that therefore it should continue to be like that, but many women did just that very sucessfully.

The college I worked fror that required professional dress in the classroom saw that as an integeral part of their educational philosophy. One campus even had a uniform for every major - business, hospitality, culinary. They also had required class attendance, just like required job attendance. Culinary students would have top pass uniform examination before they would enter class. Improper uniform, and you are not admitted to class. When classes meet for 6 hours you can't afford to miss a single one! They believed in starting students off getting used to professional ways of doing things from day 1. After class hours was quite another matter...

A major distintion between that school and PCC, however, is the that college made their expectations very clear prior to students enrolling. I know for a fact the PCC has not done so. Students who have requested to see a student handbook before they enroll have been told they will receive it when they move on to the campus... which is way too late.

The other school also did not claim any spiritual basis for their rules... or inexplicable notions about the evils of denim...

 

[alldogsDONOTgotoheaven]

Cunstructive ctiticism... I can deal with that... YEah, Spanish was what I was thinking cause it is like the third popular language stading next to English and Arabic. But i didn't think french was all that big of one.

I don't know about Arabic...but French is used in some African countries and islands...you know any former french colonies. I'm really not sure how the languages stand in the world. Spanish would be easier to learn in the states probably since more people speak it. Do you do any sort of externships or internships? I'd think doing like a semester abroad in a missions type of place would be of great benefit.

 

[I've Got a Secret]

I don't know about Arabic...but French is used in some African countries and islands...you know any former french colonies. I'm really not sure how the languages stand in the world. Spanish would be easier to learn in the states probably since more people speak it. Do you do any sort of externships or internships? I'd think doing like a semester abroad in a missions type of place would be of great benefit.

Yeah they do.. and they also offer quite a large variety of Missions trips over seas during the summer that we're welcome to go on... (but not required)

 

[alldogsDONOTgotoheaven]

ok so I found these statistics in the world fact book on some government site (the cia's I believe)

Chinese, Mandarin 14.37%, Hindi 6.02%, English 5.61%, Spanish 5.59%, Bengali 3.4%, Portuguese 2.63%, Russian 2.75%, Japanese 2.06%, German, Standard 1.64%, Korean 1.28%, French 1.27% (2000 est.)
note: percents are for "first language" speakers only

So go with Spanish! Althought a lot of countries do have several languages. (hah I wonder how many of those Spanish 1st language speakers live in the U.S.?)

 

[I've Got a Secret]

All of them?

 

[flounder7786]

I think that its great!! i couldnt handle it though. I also think their rules are not very Biblical, and that they are more bogus than anything...

like...not being able to go to movie theaters...no music besides what they allow...their dress code...to me, its very closed minded. we are IN THIS WORLD...and we are called to live in the world but not be OF it...how are you being in the world if you're stuck in you always Christian bunch...

 

[MagicStar723]

Well, in point of fact, women have been learning to do everything there is to be done in nursing wearing skirts and hose for rather a long time. I'm not suggesting that therefore it should continue to be like that, but many women did just that very sucessfully.

The college I worked fror that required professional dress in the classroom saw that as an integeral part of their educational philosophy. One campus even had a uniform for every major - business, hospitality, culinary. They also had required class attendance, just like required job attendance. Culinary students would have top pass uniform examination before they would enter class. Improper uniform, and you are not admitted to class. When classes meet for 6 hours you can't afford to miss a single one! They believed in starting students off getting used to professional ways of doing things from day 1. After class hours was quite another matter...

A major distintion between that school and PCC, however, is the that college made their expectations very clear prior to students enrolling. I know for a fact the PCC has not done so. Students who have requested to see a student handbook before they enroll have been told they will receive it when they move on to the campus... which is way too late.

The other school also did not claim any spiritual basis for their rules... or inexplicable notions about the evils of denim...

I agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong in requiring students to wear professional clothing to class however I think there is a line that you draw and that you should be allowed to wear casual clothing in YOUR time.

 

[barefeetonholyground]

I think that its great!! i couldnt handle it though. I also think their rules are not very Biblical, and that they are more bogus than anything...

like...not being able to go to movie theaters...no music besides what they allow...their dress code...to me, its very closed minded. we are IN THIS WORLD...and we are called to live in the world but not be OF it...how are you being in the world if you're stuck in you always Christian bunch...

You also aren't allowed to question their doctrine. If you do you go straight to the Dean's office.