Pelosi to introduce legislation related to the 25th Amendment

[friend of]

Both.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The Cabinet members don't have a vote to remove the president, but bring their request to invoke the 25th Amendment to Congress.

For the Speaker of the House to try and invoke the 25th without the cabinet members requesting it, would be a violation against the separation of powers between the Legislative Branch and the Executive Branch.

Right, they have to bring it to the Senate Pro Tem and the Speaker of the House.

 

[Blade]

Both? Lol.. but I don't see this ever making it past the senate.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Both? Lol.. but I don't see this ever making it past the senate.

Read what I quoted. Once the 15 Federal agency heads (cabinet) vote on the 25th amendment, they take to the Senate Pro Tem and the Speaker of the House. That is how it currently is.

Pelosi is looking for more congressional input. I don't see it being voted on in the House.

 

[jacks]

She doesn't care which one...she is 3'rd in line.

 

[Rlavcole]

The fact that she's doing this during the election, should be a warning to American voters who'll vote for Biden.

You're not voting for Biden, but for Harris and the radical left who'll tell Biden what to do until he's removed from office

I agree with JimR They want to replace Biden with Harris as fast as they may be legally able to do so.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Unfit for Office? Speaker Pelosi and the Radical Left Threaten To Manipulate the 25th Amendment in Order To Remove a Sitting President | American Center for Law and Justice

"for all future presidents" (close paraphrase)

 

[Redwingfan9]

Pelosi to introduce legislation related to the 25th Amendment


Is this for Biden or Trump ?

This is a political miscalculation on Pelosi's part. Biden is already clearly winning in a landslide. There's no need for her to rile up Republicans a few weeks before the election. Not smart.

 

[nolidad]

Pelosi to introduce legislation related to the 25th Amendment


Is this for Biden or Trump ?

It doesn't matter. Only a POTUS Cabinet officials and the VP can declare a POTUS unfit under the 25th Amendment. she can have all teh commissions she wants, but unless the people amend the Constitution- she is just blowing wind.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It doesn't matter. Only a POTUS Cabinet officials and the VP can declare a POTUS unfit under the 25th Amendment. she can have all teh commissions she wants, but unless the people amend the Constitution- she is just blowing wind.

She's calling for the commission in order to see if she has more power because of it. If not, she'll want to change it so she gets more power than the president.

 

[Silverback]

Pelosi to introduce legislation related to the 25th Amendment


Is this for Biden or Trump ?

I think it's for Biden, this election tools like 1930 Germany which voted the dinosaur Hindenburg, who as predicted died in office paving the way for Hitler to become Chancellor.

Biden's capacity is failing, his gait is unstable, and he just looks to frail...he should have a cane, or he's will fall and break his hip. I don't have a problem with Biden, I could never vote for him though.

 

[Blade]

Read what I quoted. Once the 15 Federal agency heads (cabinet) vote on the 25th amendment, they take to the Senate Pro Tem and the Speaker of the House. That is how it currently is.

Pelosi is looking for more congressional input. I don't see it being voted on in the House.

Hi.. I was really being silly or trying lol. The 25th amendment is already in there so its what happens after Nov 4th and who controls what. Just praying for whats best for this nation for our God.

 

[returntosender]

Th news stations that I watch are very open with the fact she is concerned with his current actions concerning his health problems and his denial of his well being. At least that is what they are saying but maybe it is for future action to make it easy to get Biden out if he shows dementia. This action taken now against Trump is just another way to get him out since the last action didn't work.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It's a red flag for me that since NBC reported this in the internet, I haven't heard it reported again on the evening news on any of the major networks.

Why not ? This move by Pelosi is important and people should be opposing it.

 

[nolidad]

She's calling for the commission in order to see if she has more power because of it. If not, she'll want to change it so she gets more power than the president.

Well then she will have to vote on a Constitutional amendment and let 37 states grant her that power. Otherwise she has nothing to say as to whether or not a president is fit under the 25th amendment

 

[nolidad]

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And this is unconstitutional as well!

Thje federal govt. cannot mandate health insurance and require people to enroll.

They can offer subsidized insurance solely on a voluntary basis and provide insurance for federal employees.

teh states can have people get health insurance, as with towns and employers and individuals. that is how our nation is supposed to work.

BTW don't forget that Obama raided medicare as well! Medicare to raid is easy. This budget year which just ended saw the Federal govt. spend $1,360,000,000,000 (that is one trillion, three hundred and six billion) on medicare and medicaid! Health care has become the single largest federal expenditure and is bankrupting the nation.

If one looks at the rise of health care costs, it is directly tied to 1965 when the fed. govt. got involved in subsidizing health care. There are other factors but when the govt. gets invovled, costs go up exponentially.

 

[nolidad]

Military Forced Into Payroll Tax Deferral; 1.3 Million Can’t Opt-Out

Shahar ZivContributor

Personal Finance

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Members of the military take enough risk in their day-to-day jobs. Now the 1.3 million active-duty personnel, as well as hundreds of thousands of civilian military employees, are being forced to take on additional financial risk and participate in Trump’s questionable payroll tax deferral scheme. “All active-duty military members as well as federal civilian employees will be subject to the president’s upcoming payroll tax deferral”, a White House official told Federal News Network in another Friday evening news dump. More egregiously,” the deferments are “non-negotiable,” meaning that military members have no freedom to choose whether to participate or opt-out.


Payroll Tax Deferral Landed With A Thud

Trump’s payroll tax deferral initiative took effect September 1, 2020, but has landed with a thud. The optional program for employers allows them to stop withholding the 6.2 percent Social Security tax that employees pay each pay period for the rest of 2020. Few private employers have publicly announced plans to participate. Employers are balking at having to collect the deferred taxes from employees in the first four months of 2021, the burden of implementing a change to their payroll systems mid-year, and the additional risk of being liable for repayment even if they are unable to recoup the money from employees.

Administration Has Leverage Over Federal Employees And Military

Federal Employees Hit With Payroll Tax Holiday First

While the administration couldn’t force private employers to participate, it has much more leverage over federal employees. It has harnessed that power unapologetically. At first, federal employees were informed that if they earned less than $4,000 per bi-weekly pay period they would be automatically opted-in the payroll tax deferment. “About 60 percent of the 2.1 million executive-branch employees earn less than $100,000 a year, just below the cutoff set by Trump’s order,” according to The Washington Post. The result is that about 1.3 million federal workers are being compelled to defer their payroll taxes until early 2021.

“The Trump administration’s plan to initiate payroll tax deferrals for civil servants treats the federal workforce as a guinea pig for a bad policy that businesses already rejected as ‘unworkable,’” said Representative Don Beyer (D-Virginia), who represents the largest number of federal employees of any U.S. representative. “This payroll tax deferral does not really put money in workers’ pockets, it simply sets up the members of the federal workforce who can least afford it for a big tax bill that many will not expect,” he added.

Now The Military Is Forced To Participate In Trump’s Payroll Tax Deferral Plan

The Coast Guard was the first to publicly inform its members, according to Federal News Network. It announced “impending modifications to take-home pay for both civilian employees and military members of the Coast Guard,” according to a bulletin sent to its workforce. The Coast Guard was more explicit about tying the hands of all its members. The deferral “is non-negotiable, there is no opting-out of the deferral,” stated the terse message. The result is that the Coast Guard’s 40,992 active duty members, as well as its 8,577 civilian workforce, will be forced to participate.

Coast Guard employees must plan ahead. For example, the message stated that taxes will be collected in early 2021 “unless the employee/member separates prior to full collection, at which time it will be taken out of final pay.” For those who leave in December, they may be hit with a huge, unplanned tax bill.

The U.S. Air Force also alerted its military and civilian employees that would be forced to participate. “Unfortunately, neither military members nor civilian employees are eligible to opt-out of the deferral,” said JoAnne Bass, Chief Master Sergeant for the U.S. Air Force.”

According to Federal News Network, a senior administration official confirmed that all active-duty military members, not just the Coast Guard and Air Force, would be subject to the payroll tax deferment.

Payroll Tax Deferment Puts Military Members At Financial Risk

As noted in a previous column the promise of “savings” from the payroll tax deferral is a mirage. Americans aren’t saving anything. They are simply paying less in taxes for four months and then paying an equivalent amount four months later. “For those who fail to plan ahead, the payroll tax deferral could turn into a financial planning nightmare in early 2021 with their paychecks slashed by a total of up to $2,232 between January and April,” noted the previous article. “This is especially true for the more than 50 percent of Americans who live paycheck-to-paycheck who may struggle when their take-home lay is suddenly cut.


Service Members Have High Financial Stress

The percent living paycheck-to-paycheck is much higher for military households. A HarrisX survey conducted last year found that 68 percent were living paycheck-to-paycheck at least every other month and more than half every doing so consistently each month. The latest Blue Star Families’ annual military family lifestyle survey found that “service members and their spouses ranked financial stress as their greatest concern, even over deployment.” Finally, a report by the National Foundation for Credit Counseling (NFCC) found that almost 90 percent of active service members have worries about personal finances. “In general, people are struggling to make ends meet, said Rebecca Steele, president and CEO of the NFCC. That’s “amplified in military households.”

While the forced payroll tax deferment may mean slightly higher paychecks for military families for a few months, the statistics above indicate that the initiative could lead to significantly financial risk in early 2021 as the military seeks to recoup the deferred taxes. Guidance issued by the IRS in Notice 2020-65 was vague, but there is no question that without Congressional intervention, every dollar deferred in 2020 will need to be paid back in 2021. “Make sure your Airmen and families are tracking to prevent financial strain in the future,” urged the Air Force’s Bass.

The White House administration has been trying to sell employers on the benefits of a payroll tax holiday, but here are the fundamental questions: If a payroll tax deferral is such a wonderful thing, why do so few want to participate? If Trump is so big on freedom, then why not give federal employees and military members the option to participate or not?

The payroll tax deferral program will only exacerbate financial stress for military members. “Men and women in uniform face many challenges and daily sacrifices while serving our country,” Ms. Steele of the NFCC added. “Financial concerns shouldn’t be one of them.”

the fact this is a tax deferral instead of a cut is potentially very harmful. If people do not realize they still owe the tax at the end of the year and overspend the deferred taxes they are receiving- theyu will owe next year and only postponing todays pain till tomorrow.

 

[Yesitstrue]

Uh, just say'n but it is expected to provide a link to quoted material so that it may be fact checked....just say'n.....

It was in Forbes

 

[Yesitstrue]

Uh, just say'n but it is expected to provide a link to quoted material so that it may be fact checked....just say'n.....

I am still learning to upload and use posts to phone I am not that phone savvy

 

[civilwarbuff]

It was in Forbes

Great, then provide the link.