Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 14

[BobRyan]

And yet, in all that, you continue to miss the fact that the LIFE of the Law written upon our Hearts by the Law Giver is so powerful that the letter under which you have placed yourself, it is no longer of any greater power than the Power who indwells us. The power of the Law written on our hearts is His Power, by which we live and breath. You argue symantics of the letter

you are painting pictures of your own making.

read Mark 7:6-13 - Jesus never presents a "ignore the Bible and have faith or read the bible and be lost" gospel.

 

[SwordmanJr]

you are painting pictures of your own making.

read Mark 7:6-13 - Jesus never presents a "ignore the Bible and have faith or read the bible and be lost" gospel.

An you should read my post, and be honest by admitting that I never said anything about ignoring nor doing away with anything. These straw man arguments, based upon falsehoods, is meaningless.

Jr

 

[HARK!]

There are those who teach that we must pursue the living of the Law. They seem to gravitate toward the layman's inability to understand the Law without it being properly interpreted and disseminated to you by them or some other teacher of the Law with whom they have become enamored?

When you are in Christ Jesus, He is within you, and will teach you all things, as is emphatically stated above.

He hasn't answered all of my questions yet. I'm glad I just happened to run into someone who already knows it all.

What is the purpose of the lulav? How is it to be used; and what does it represent?

I gather up one every year; but it ends up being a Sukkot decoration.

 

[HARK!]

The Spirit, Yeshua, who wrote the Law

(CLV) Lv 4:1
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

(CLV) Lv 4:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, When a soul sins inadvertently, departing from any of Yahweh's instructions of what should not be done, yet does one of them:


(CLV) Jn 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone should be loving Me, he will be keeping My word, and My Father will be loving him, and We shall be coming to him and making an abode with him.

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

 

[SwordmanJr]

He hasn't answered all of my questions yet.

And why is that? It must be some lack on your part.

I'm glad I just happened to run into someone who already knows it all.

You do like flattering yourself.

What is the purpose of the lulav? How is it to be used; and what does it represent?

What do the four species of date palm trees have to do with this topic?

I gather up one every year; but it ends up being a Sukkot decoration.

You can use whatever species of plant you wish, and none of it will bring anything to spiritual richness of Christ Jesus.

Jr

 

[SwordmanJr]

(CLV) Lv 4:1
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

(CLV) Lv 4:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, When a soul sins inadvertently, departing from any of Yahweh's instructions of what should not be done, yet does one of them:


(CLV) Jn 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone should be loving Me, he will be keeping My word, and My Father will be loving him, and We shall be coming to him and making an abode with him.

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

The splitting of hairs must be a comic pursuit of yours.

1Jo 5:7 KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jr

 

[HARK!]

What do the four species of date palm trees have to do with this topic?

(CLV) Lv 23:40
You will take for yourselves on the first day fruit of goodly trees, fronds of palm trees and boughs of leafy trees, and oleanders of the watercourse, and you will rejoice before Yahweh your Elohim for seven days.

This is Torah. We are commanded to do this in obedience to YHWH forever. Yahshua did it; and his disciples did it, long after his ascension.

This translation doesn't clearly render these trees. Can you tell me which trees YHWH told us to gather from? I already know the answers to three of them; but I'm not completely certain about the etrog.

If I had YHWH's perfect Torah written on my heart; I don't suspect that I wouldn't understand what a lulav is.

 

[SwordmanJr]

(CLV) Lv 23:40
You will take for yourselves on the first day fruit of goodly trees, fronds of palm trees and boughs of leafy trees, and oleanders of the watercourse, and you will rejoice before Yahweh your Elohim for seven days.

Sounds like a commandment given to a specific people to do specific things.

This is Torah. We are commanded to do this in obedience to YHWH forever. Yahshua did it; and his disciples did it, long after his ascension.

Yep, the Jews did this. It was commanded of them. I agree. So?

This translation doesn't clearly render these trees. Can you tell me which trees YHWH told us to gather from? I already know the answers to three of them; but I'm not completely certain about the etrog.

The species I know of are the myrtle, or hadass , the willow, or aravah, and citron, or etrog. The Jews would bind them together, the lulav, hadass, and aravah, which are commonly called the lulav.

If I had YHWH's perfect Torah written on my heart; I don't suspect that I wouldn't understand what a lulav is.

The mistake you're making is the distinction between the Law of Moses, with all its ceremonial requirements and such, and the Law written upon our hearts today. Remember what Peter said about circumcision as commanded to be passed on through Abraham, and the Law of Moses:

Act 15:10 KJV - Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

You are totally free to try and wear that yoke of the letter, which is death, upon your neck. As a Gentile follower of Christ Jesus, within whom is the Law Giver who has written within my heart His Law that applies to modern followers of Christ, the particulars of ceremony and feasts no longer are a part of what He seeks out from us. If you feel that He has laid that upon you, then I would have to say that I'm glad I'm not you, to have to bear that yoke.

Yeshua said in Mat 11:30 KJV - For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

Peter therefore made that very distinction between the Law of Moses and the Law that Yeshua writes in our hearts.

Perhaps you might not be so concerned about such particulars if only you would take to heart what the apostles taught.

Jr

 

[BobRyan]

Why do you suppose only nine of the ten are repeated in the NT?

Because I did a search on the phrase "Do not take God's name in vain".

What exactly are you saying?

I am saying that the fact that "Do not take God's name in vain" is never repeated in the NT - is not some odd kind of "Bible proof" that we should ignore that commandment.

There is no command in scripture of the form "Whatever is not constantly repeated in the Word of God - should be deleted".

An you should read my post, and be honest by admitting that I never said anything about ignoring nor doing away with anything.

whoah!! That is nice to hear at this point.

 

[HARK!]

Sounds like a commandment given to a specific people to do specific things.

It is. It is given to those who belong to YHWH, to be honored forever, as it is written.

Yep, the Jews did this. It was commanded of them. I agree. So?

Do you believe that YHWH's word is only for the tribe of Yahudah?

The mistake you're making is the distinction between the Law of Moses, with all its ceremonial requirements and such, and the Law written upon our hearts today. Remember what Peter said about circumcision as commanded to be passed on through Abraham, and the Law of Moses:

Act 15:10 KJV - Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

It's difficult to understand The writings of Yahshua's Apostles; without understanding the TaNaK.

Abraham came to belief before he showed the sign. To be circumcised before coming to belief is putting the cart before the horse.


Not unlike Baptism, Circumcision is a ceremonial outward sign of what has taken place within. I absence of the inward change, the outward sign means nothing.

You are totally free to try and wear that yoke of the letter, which is death, upon your neck.

Following in the obedience of YHWH's eternal Torah, on the footsteps of Yahshua, is what brings us to Yahshua.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

If we believe his words, which are his Father's words, our actions will reflect his example of obedience to his Father's instructions.

Have you found another way?

As a Gentile follower of Christ Jesus,

That's an oxymoron. Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel. If we follow Yahshua; we follow his example of obedience to his Father's word. We care then grafted into the tree of Israel.

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

within whom is the Law Giver who has written within my heart His Law that applies to modern followers of Christ, the particulars of ceremony and feasts no longer are a part of what He seeks out from us. If you feel that He has laid that upon you, then I would have to say that I'm glad I'm not you, to have to bear that yoke.

YHWH's Moedim are for all generations. He told this to the mixed multitude the nations, the Gentiles, the Goyim who were entering his covenant.. If YHWH has written HIS law on your heart; how could you not have known that this is what he wrote down for Moses?

Paul told his converted disciples to keep the Moedim.

“Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Cor. 5:8

Yeshua said in Mat 11:30 KJV - For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

Yahshua spoke his Father's words. This is nothing new. YHWH told Moses the same thing.

(CLV) Dt 30:10
when you hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe His instructions and His statutes, the ones written in this scroll of the law, once you return to Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

(CLV) Dt 30:12
It is neither in the heavens for you to say: Who shall ascend to the heavens for us and take it for us and announce it to us that we may do it?

(CLV) Dt 30:13
Nor is it across the sea for you to say: Who shall cross across the sea for us and take it for us and announce it to us that we may do it?

(CLV) Dt 30:14
For the word is exceedingly near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, to do it.

(CLV) Dt 30:15
See! I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.

(CLV) Dt 30:16
If you should hearken to the instructions of Yahweh your Elohim that I am enjoining on you today, to love Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in His ways and to observe His instructions, His statutes and His ordinances, then you will live and multiply, and Yahweh your Elohim will bless you in the land where you are entering to tenant it.

The Torah is our escort to Yahshua.

Peter therefore made that very distinction between the Law of Moses and the Law that Yeshua writes in our hearts.

Peter said no such thing. YHWH said that he will write his Torah on our hearts. We can't corrupt his written word; and say that he has written it on our hearts.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

He didn't say that he would write a new law on our hearts. YHWH's Torah is his nature. YHWH doesn't change. If the law is written our our hearts; and we are followers of Yahshua; then we have a heart for the Torah that Yahshua preached throughout his ministry, the Torah for which he was obedient to, unto death.

 

[SwordmanJr]

I am saying that the fact that "Do not take God's name in vain" is never repeated in the NT - is not some odd kind of "Bible proof" that we should ignore that commandment.

Ah. Ok. So, are you saying that the strength of your not using the Lord's name in vain is the power of the writings on pages, or in your app?

Not for me. The power for not using the Lord's name in vain is written in my heart by He who is the Law Giver who indwells all His followers.

I'm not saying that it's not cool that you avoid using the Lord's name in vain because it's in the Law. I'm saying that what He wrote in our hearts has far greater empowerment for avoiding those sins than what's written on paper, stone, papyrus, or anything else external.

whoah!! That is nice to hear at this point.

Just wanted to make sure you understood my position. As I said, it's not about anything having been done away with, but rather that one is superior to the other in our ability to obey what is relevant to us today as the Law Giver sees fit.

Jr

 

[SwordmanJr]

It is. It is given to those who belong to YHWH, to be honored forever, as it is written.

That's a very expansive take on something that was specifically addressed to Israel.

Do you believe that YHWH's word is only for the tribe of Yahudah?

I believe God's word addressed to a specific people at a given time is binding upon them, and not us. Paul of Tarsus was the apostle to us Gentiles, and he at no time called for us to go back to the Law of Moses to the point of obedience. What Paul did say is that the Law Giver indwells us, and write His Law in our hearts that He sovereignly chose by Himself to which we are bound.

So, you folks can point at the stone tablets, at the papyrus, the paper, and at the computer screens, which is fine for study, but for those of us who are indwelt by the Law Giver, far greater is the power of what He writes in our hearts for our obedience than those external things at which you point.

It's difficult to understand The writings of Yahshua's Apostles; without understanding the TaNaK.

For you perhaps, but don't lump everyone else into your own pool of incomprehension. That's presumption at its worst.

Not unlike Baptism, Circumcision is a ceremonial outward sign of what has taken place within. I absence of the inward change, the outward sign means nothing.

I can agree with that.

Following in the obedience of YHWH's eternal Torah, on the footsteps of Yahshua, is what brings us to Yahshua.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [/QUOTE]

Let's look at some more of the context, shall we, rather than only at something ripped from its context to try and use it in a manner not at all in keeping with intended meaning by the One who inspired its writing:

Gal 3:21 KJV - [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 KJV - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 KJV - But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 KJV - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 KJV - But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I could go through the other verses you ripped from their context and tear apart your misapplications of them, but this one alone shows quite well your tactics and lack in dealing completely and consistently with what scripture actually was and is saying, as they apply to us today. Trying to transplant what was intended for Israel, as if it all applies to us today, is to also try and transplant the promises toward Israel to us. That simply doesn't work. It's disingenuous to try and steal for us what is not ours for the taking.

Yahweh

: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

He didn't say that he would write a new law on our hearts.

I never said anything about new laws. I said that He writes in our hearts what He, as Sovereign Lord over all, chooses to write within our hearts. Who are you to question or down-play what the Lord Most High places within us? You're beginning to sound more and more like those Judaisers who went out from Jerusalem, demanding the Gentile churches get circumcised and obey the Law of Moses. Is that what you want others to see you as?

YHWH's Torah is his nature.

That's your own wording, not something from the Lord in His words to us today. The Torah is a living history of the Lord's dealings with a horribly stiff-necked people who killed the prophets, and worshiped idols at almost every turn. The Torah showed to them how much they needed the Lord, and how to love each other and others. Instead, they rebelled, adulterated themselves with other pagan nations, and idolized things made with human hands and nature itself.

The Torah expressed some of the nature of the Most High in His desire for obedience and love. No book coupld possibly contain the nature of God. If you think such is possible, then you have a very limited and dim view of the totality of who the Lord is.

If the law is written our our hearts; and we are followers of Yahshua; then we have a heart for the Torah that Yahshua preached throughout his ministry, the Torah for which he was obedient to, unto death.

I'm not going to sit here ant tell you what you should set your heart upon. That's a choice you set for yourself. I just wanted that to be understood.

As for me, I have set my Heart upon living by the Spirit and by faith, not by that which is inferior to what the Law Giver has written in my heart. He sometimes brings to my reading and study time things in the Torah, but the strength and power for obedience is derived from what He has written within me.

If writings upon tablets of stone, on papyrus, paper and such is your source for strength unto obedience, then by all means, stick with it. Go for it with gusto. Not me, brother. I will serve the Lord through and by that which He has established within me. No man has the power to override the vastness of God's Sovereignty He has chosen to exercise and empower with me.

Be at peace with your choices, and I will be at peace with what He has chosen for me.

Jr

 

[HARK!]

Tarsus was the apostle to us Gentiles, and he at no time called for us to go back to the Law of Moses to the point of obedience.

Paul never departed from YHWH's perfect Torah as given to Moses.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) Ac 25:8
Paul defending that "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the sanctuary, nor against Caesar did I any sin."

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

Yahshua didn't depart from YHWH's perfect torah either.

Here Paul tells his disciples to keep YHWH's eternal Moed of Pesach.

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

 

[HARK!]

Gal 3:24 KJV - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

There's the problem. You're reading from a faulty translation.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

Present perfect tense, γεγονεν.

(CLV) Ro 11:5
Thus, then, in the current era also, there has come to be a remnant according to the choice of grace

Is grace therefore too a thing of the past in your book? Then it would all make sense; as sin is transgression of the law. If there is no law; then there can be no transgression of the law. If there is no transgression; then there is no sin. If there is no sin; then what is the need for grace?

Present perfect tense, same word, γεγονεν.

Faith is an abstract word of Greek philosophy. Do you know what faith means in the concrete Hebrew understanding?

 

[SwordmanJr]

Paul never departed from YHWH's perfect Torah as given to Moses.

I would imagine Paul lived by the same Law written in his heart that same Lord has written in ours, and he did not (so far as we know) carry a copy of the Torah within him on his missionary journeys to teach to the Gentile churches. Why? For the same reason we today have no need to study and try to adhere to the Torah. It was never burdened upon the necks of the Gentiles because it was not for them.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) Ac 25:8
Paul defending that "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the sanctuary, nor against Caesar did I any sin."

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

Yahshua didn't depart from YHWH's perfect torah either.

Here Paul tells his disciples to keep YHWH's eternal Moed of Pesach.

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

And yet Paul said to the Galatians:

[Gal 3:23-25 KJV] 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Your case is a smouldering heap. You do indeed misunderstand Paul's meaning in the face of other passages like the above as to how the Law of Moses relates to us today. It is written that the Jews in Jerusalem were still "...zealous for the Law..." Ok. I've seen many a Judaizer interpret that in all kinds of ways, which really has no meaning to me at all. Paul said what he said above, and in other places to the same effect and meaning. We have no need for leaglistic individuals to try and twist it into something other than what it says, under the guise of religious instruction from other Jewish writings for an alleged deeper understanding. Again, not at all impressive. Paul was the apostles to the Gentiles. If that were not a distinguishing reality for his ministry, he would not have said that.

Jr

 

[SwordmanJr]

There's the problem. You're reading from a faulty translation.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

What you're saying here is not at all meaningful to prove that the translation I quoted is flawed.

Present perfect tense, γεγονεν.

(CLV) Ro 11:5
Thus, then, in the current era also, there has come to be a remnant according to the choice of grace[/QUOTE]

I don't dispute that the Law did indeed escort us to Christ. Yes, and it still is when I study it, because in it I see that I cannot live it to the perfection Yeshua lived it. THAT is why I am justified by FAITH, not that escort. Standing in Christ means that the escorting is complete in me, for my justification is complete in Christ alone.

So, what say you what may be taken meaningfully?

Is grace therefore too a thing of the past in your book?

Not at all. God's Grace has indeed been extended to us all who are in Christ. We are saved by grace, a work that He has already accomplished in us. Are you trying to teach that salvation is an ongoing process, or that sanctification is an ongoing process. You seem to be trying to throw marbles onto the dance floor....

Then it would all make sense; as sin is transgression of the law. If there is no law; then there can be no transgression of the law. If there is no transgression; then there is no sin. If there is no sin; then what is the need for grace?

Again, you continue to miss the mark in your religion. Transgression of the Law the Law Giver has put into our hearts is indeed sin. Yes. I agree. Transgression of that Law is much deeper and more profound than traipsing through my memory of the 613 laws to try and figure out if I have transgressed any of them each day. The indwelling Law Giver gave us a conscience so that the transgressions are more deeply seated, and that IF we sin, then we can confess our sins unto the Lord, and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.

That means we don't have to ASK His forgiveness, as many are in the habit of doing. It is written that when we CONFESS our sins to Him, He then forgives us. That is an inner work by the very hand of the Father in us through His only begotten Son and Holy Spirit.

Present perfect tense, same word, γεγονεν.

Faith is an abstract word of Greek philosophy. Do you know what faith means in the concrete Hebrew understanding?

Faith is that which comes by hearing. That is enough for me without trying to delve into the pharasaical word bantering and definition haranguing quibbles that would please the scribes to envy. I'm not going to play that silly game with you. Violating the simplicity that is in Christ is the game of the wise who only find themselves confounded by the wisdom of the Lord.

2 Cor 1:12 KJV - For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

Sorry, but word bantering from other sources like the Miqra simply isn't my forte'. We have what Paul of Tarsus gave to us, along with the Torah and the prophets, and other of the apostles. You don't have anything better to offer from what I've seen.

Jr

 

[HARK!]

Faith is that which comes by hearing. That is enough for me without trying to delve into the pharasaical word bantering and definition haranguing quibbles that would please the scribes to envy. I'm not going to play that silly game with you. Violating the simplicity that is in Christ is the game of the wise who only find themselves confounded by the wisdom of the Lord.

2 Cor 1:12 KJV - For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

Sorry, but word bantering from other sources like the Miqra simply isn't my forte'. We have what Paul of Tarsus gave to us, along with the Torah and the prophets, and other of the apostles. You don't have anything better to offer from what I've seen.

You didn't define this word of Greek philosophy. Perhaps an understanding from YHWH's word to the Hebrews would help.

The word of YHWH was given in concrete terms. That is, it applies to that which can be perceived by the senses. Greek philosophy is that of the abstract, from which can be derived ethereal suppositions.

In order to better understand the word of YHWH, I find it useful to approach his word from the perspective of those whom it was given.

This short video reveals the nature of the word that was substituted with the abstract Greek word, translated to the abstract English word "faith," from a concrete Hebrew mindset.

 

[HARK!]

Standing in Christ means that the escorting is complete in me, for my justification is complete in Christ alone.

Messiah is without sin. Would you explain to me how I can be in sin and be in Messiah at the same time?

 

[SwordmanJr]

You didn't define this word of Greek philosophy. Perhaps an understanding from YHWH's word to the Hebrews would help.

The word of YHWH was given in concrete terms. That is, it applies to that which can be perceived by the senses. Greek philosophy is that of the abstract, from which can be derived ethereal suppositions.

In order to better understand the word of YHWH, I find it useful to approach his word from the perspective of those whom it was given.

This short video reveals the nature of the word that was substituted with the abstract Greek word, translated to the abstract English word "faith," from a concrete Hebrew mindset.

Well, I appreciate your desire to follow after what other sources for Hebrew claim. As for me, I currently trust in Paul's understanding of the Hebrew; in how he applied it and how he instructed us Gentiles on this matter of faith.

If it's your contention that Paul was not well educated enough to know what he was talking about, especially under inspiration from the Lord, then you will simply have to become elevated to the place where you are effectively empowered to declare, with any measure of authority, that Paul was not inspired in the way that he instructed us, and also was not educated highly enough to distinguish the differences betwen what you are saying and what he said.

Jr

 

[SwordmanJr]

Messiah is without sin. Would you explain to me how I can be in sin and be in Messiah at the same time?

Hmm. Well, I'm not sure where you have set the bar of your acceptance, but perhaps if I understood your current thinking about yourself in relation to sin, that might help me to better understand what answer is appropriate to your question.

Do you consider yourself without sin? Do you believe you are no longer influenced by the sin nature of your humanity? Have you sinned since your conversion? I'm not saying that we MUST sin. John, a Jew well acquainted with Torah and with Christ Jesus, had the following to say:

1 John 2:1 KJV - My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The original language indicates, therefore, that sinning is the exception in this life as followers in Christ Jesus rather than the rule.

What say you?

Jr