Patriarch of Alexandria commemorates Epiphany

[buzuxi02]

The problem is the Church of Cyprus asked him to refrain from commemorating him as they have not decided on the matter. He went ahead and commemorated the schismatic layman in another's jurisdiction who do not recognize him.

 

[AMM]

The problem is the Church of Cyprus asked him to refrain from commemorating him as they have not decided on the matter. He went ahead and commemorated the schismatic layman in another's jurisdiction who do not recognize him.

I heard about that. I’m curious what will happen now. Will Abp Chrysostomos (that’s the bishop of Cyprus, right?) do anything as a way of saying “hey I asked you not to do this”? Or do you think the Church of Cyprus will just move on until they make their decision on the OCU?

 

[Platina]

I expect the local hierarch, Met. Athanasios of Limassol, will probably say something, but I wouldn't be surprised if Abp. Chrysostomos doesn't.

 

[StanU]

Any reason this thread is not in the Debate section?

His Beatitude was absolutely correct in his actions.

 

[StanU]

The jurisdiction themselves dont have much drama. It's the intrajurisdictional squabbles that's problematic. I would say stay away from the jurisdictions under the Phanar (or department or Eparchy or whatever they call their subdivisions).

Context: Antiochian Patriarchate is headquartered in Damascus, Syria. It means that their very security is in the hands of Assad/Putin. They'll probably stay silent. If that is what counts for "little drama" in your book...

 

[StanU]

Why do they call the Ecumenical Patriarch "Phanar"? Is that a Turkish term?

It's disrespectful.
And yes, a Turkish trerm; Turks reject the Ecumenical status of the Patriarch and use "Fanar" to imply he's just a local cleric ministering to the greeks living in the Fanar district of Istanbul. I'd leave the ethics of seemingly Orthodox people joining if for your own evaluation.

 

[StanU]

Patriarch Theodoros lived in Odessa for 10 years, during the time when the schisms all happened! He knows what these people are about, firsthand.

Yep. Odessa is Met. Agathangel's eparchy; so what Patriarch Theodoros could have seen is Russian Orthodox Church that for some reason keeps calling itself Ukrainian Orthodox Church; and in it's Odessa corner, actively anti-Ukrainian to boot.

One year ago ROCinU was the only canonical jurisdiction. Things changed.

 

[Lukaris]

I just want to give a perspective to any inquirers ( at least in the US) as to what may appear on a world level in comparison to many areas where daily parish life goes on largely unaffected by this. For ex. right now, I have to get my janitorial work done at the church, get a flat tire fixed & get to my job later today.

My post is not to trivialize or be disrespectful of anything or go into an escapist denials. I pray that this chaos will pass.

 

[StanU]

I just want to give a perspective to any inquirers ( at least in the US) as to what may appear on a world level in comparison to many areas where daily parish life goes on largely unaffected by this. For ex. right now, I have to get my janitorial work done at the church, get a flat tire fixed & get to my job later today.

My post is not to trivialize or be disrespectful of anything or go into an escapist denials. I pray that this chaos will pass.

Agreed. And it will.

 

[Not David]

Any reason this thread is not in the Debate section?

His Beatitude was absolutely correct in his actions.

You already have your own thread.

 

[StanU]

You already have your own thread.

It's a debated subject. You can't have threads just for the people who don't disagree; I certainly don't have that.

 

[Not David]

It's a debated subject. You can't have threads just for the people who don't disagree; I certainly don't have that.

Yes, we can.

 

[RobNJ]

Any reason this thread is not in the Debate section?

Wasn't any debate about this unfortunate event, for almost a week.. until you tried to start one

 

[StanU]

Wasn't any debate about this unfortunate event, for almost a week.. until you tried to start one

Uh, of course. There can't be any doubts that return of a large church body into Orthodoxy is an "unfortunate event". Can you explain how it's bad, using your own words?

It is extraordinary how Kremlin can bend minds en masse even without the Spectre of Communism, it truly is.

 

[Not David]

Uh, of course. There can't be any doubts that return of a large church body into Orthodoxy is an "unfortunate event". Can you explain how it's bad, using your own words?

It is extraordinary how Kremlin can bend minds en masse even without the Spectre of Communism, it truly is.

Russians are the best! That's why in Ukraine some want to restrict other Ukrainians from relating to Russia

 

[StanU]

Russians are the best! That's why in Ukraine some want to restrict other Ukrainians from relating to Russia

I'm literally related to Russians from Russia, and the ways your statement is wrong deserve another thread, which I trust no one wants to see here. Just on surface, Russia is responsible for the ongoing bloodshed in Ukraine claiming circa 15000 lives, numerous refugees, untold property damage. Russia, today, is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and spreader of extreme ideologies ( right AND left wing, they don't care).

 

[buzuxi02]

I'm literally related to Russians from Russia, and the ways your statement is wrong deserve another thread, which I trust no one wants to see here. Just on surface, Russia is responsible for the ongoing bloodshed in Ukraine claiming circa 15000 lives, numerous refugees, untold property damage. Russia, today, is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and spreader of extreme ideologies ( right AND left wing, they don't care).

Why did all those numerous refugees all escape to Russia then?
FEMEN is a Ukraine group so they cant all be russian and most of Ukraine are russians. This is something the Anglo west has yet to figure out.

 

[Anhelyna]

Господи помилуй x40

 

[James4Christ 777]

I'm literally related to Russians from Russia, and the ways your statement is wrong deserve another thread, which I trust no one wants to see here. Just on surface, Russia is responsible for the ongoing bloodshed in Ukraine claiming circa 15000 lives, numerous refugees, untold property damage. Russia, today, is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and spreader of extreme ideologies ( right AND left wing, they don't care).

Biggest sponsor of terrorism? Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey says hello! Russia backs ethnic Russians in the Donbass region for their survival, against ethno nationalistic Fascists. Also last I looked Russia not on the State sponsorship of terrorism list or a place blacklisted by terrorism funding.

I know there is passions ranging on both sides in this break in communion, yet let's not throw accusations out there like "biggest sponsors of terrorism"

 

[Anhelyna]

Gentlemen - this is getting political - TAW is not a board for political posts