Pastor issues rebuke over church restrictions

[Redwingfan9]

Christians understand that.
Unbelievers don't.
It's that simple.

Jesus said to take communion often.
This is done in Church.

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Bingo. It is the church that separates the bread and wine from their common use into their use for sacramental purposes. These are deep spiritual matters, not a television show or a podcast.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Did I not say that it is not my life I value more?

I value others' lives more than my own. I am an EMT after all and at high risk of catching any myriad of illnesses that can end my life. If I could still be a volunteer firefighter I would be, but my asthma prevents that.

What I am saying is that online services are what's needed right now because the lives of other people are at risk just by being in a mass attended event. People have already died because they went to a church service. People do not need to risk their lives to attend in-person services when there are alternatives, such as online. There is absolutely nothing wrong with online services except for the contrived reasons I have seen here in this thread.



There is also a verse that has been posted in this thread that says to follow the authorities because God put them in place. During a pandemic, online services fill the need to go to service without risking lives. I am sorry, but closing churches because of a pandemic is not going against God when there are alternatives in place.

My point was that sense the Bible says we are to follow government authorities until it conflicts with God's law one could I believe make a reasonable argument ( even I personally do not agree with it that as it relates to the closing of churches that is disobeying God's law by foresakeing meeting together. Not saying that I agree with that ( though I do agree that churches should be PREMITTED to re-open if they so choose, but I do believe that one could make the reasonable argument that by following government authorities rules of not allowing churches to open that is not following God's command to not foresake meeting together.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Agreed. The number of dead from this will at least double.

Which still comes out to less than the black death OR the 1918 flu.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Going to Walmart or any other grocery store is much different than sitting next to people in a pew while they are singing and you know it.

Is anyone FORCEING people to go to in-person services?

 

[Archivist]

Which still comes out to less than the black death OR the 1918 flu.

Fortunately we have made great medical advances. We are not treating COVID by rubbing the victim’s body with a chicken or applying leeches or applying human excrement paste on the victim or having the victim take a bath in urine as was done with the Black Death in 1350. The Spanish Flu? In 1918 they didn't even know the Spanish Flu was a virus. Of course the deaths from COVID are far less.

 

[Isilwen]

Is anyone FORCEING people to go to in-person services?

It's possible that some churches would indeed force people to attend in-person services. There is also that some people will feel obligated because the doors are open that they have to go.

Not sure if you have realized it by now or not, but my mind will not change on this. I have transported way too many people or their bodies because they were infected with Covid-19 to change my mind.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Fortunately we have made great medical advances. We are not treating COVID by rubbing the victim’s body with a chicken or applying leeches or applying human excrement paste on the victim or having the victim take a bath in urine as was done with the Black Death in 1350. The Spanish Flu? In 1918 they didn't even know the Spanish Flu was a virus. Of course the deaths from COVID are far less.

Yes, we have made advancements which is great, but if I am comparing the body count it is still clear to me that co-vid will come up FAR short of those totals and funny how they were wearing masks is 1918 and STILL got the number of dead they got. Yet, with Co-vid there are a number of cases where people were tested who were not ill came up positive, but would not have even been tested if it had not been for some other factor. Yes, the deaths are sad, but that number is a LOT smaller than the confirmed recoverities of people who did not die ( even if they do have lasting effects. If the numbers were flipped I would be freaking out but they are not.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's possible that some churches would indeed force people to attend in-person services. There is also that some people will feel obligated because the doors are open that they have to go.

Not sure if you have realized it by now or not, but my mind will not change on this. I have transported way too many people or their bodies because they were infected with Covid-19 to change my mind.

Well, my mind will not change either looking at those same numbers and knowing or knowing of people at both sides of the virus died and hardly nothing at all. As for me personally getting it between those numbers and having accepted my own mortality ages ago I am not worried about it either.

 

[Archivist]

Yes, we have made advancements which is great, but if I am comparing the body count it is still clear to me that co-vid will come up FAR short of those totals and funny how they were wearing masks is 1918 and STILL got the number of dead they got. Yet, with Co-vid there are a number of cases where people were tested who were not ill came up positive, but would not have even been tested if it had not been for some other factor. Yes, the deaths are sad, but that number is a LOT smaller than the confirmed recoverities of people who did not die ( even if they do have lasting effects. If the numbers were flipped I would be freaking out but they are not.

And again, of course the body count was greater in both earlier pandemics. I would hope that modern medicine offers far superior treatment and, thus, many fewer dead.

 

[Isilwen]

And again, of course the body count was greater in both earlier pandemics. I would hope that modern medicine offers far superior treatment and, thus, many fewer dead.

Not to mention the quality of masks today compared to the masks in 1918.

 

[Archivist]

Not to mention the quality of masks today compared to the masks in 1918.

True. Most masks used in 1918 were made of gauze, a porous material that didn't help much. What those who are wearing masks today—which should be everyone but it isn’t—are wearing are far superior.

 

[Brightmoon]

Y’all sorta remind me of a news item I read once . During an earthquake, a lot of people ran into the church think that God was going to protect them. The building collapsed on them killing most of them and injuring the rest . Common sense (and geologists )would have told them to stay outside . You think that deliberately not protecting yourselves from a contagious disease shows solidarity with our president. You also think that hanging around other potentially contagious people in a church building is somehow pleasing to God . God would tell you himself not to be so stupid!

 

[seeking.IAM]

And again, of course the body count was greater in both earlier pandemics. I would hope that modern medicine offers far superior treatment and, thus, many fewer dead.

Except that one is over and this one isn't. We'll be counting the bodies for some time to come.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It's possible that some churches would indeed force people to attend in-person services.




There is also that some people will feel obligated because the doors are open that they have to go.

Not sure if you have realized it by now or not, but my mind will not change on this. I have transported way too many people or their bodies because they were infected with Covid-19 to change my mind.

Oh sure maybe 1 out of 500 churches.
None around here.
If you could actually find one please post.

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[Nigel Malka]

Of course churches should be open !
PROVIDING they care for their members so they try to stop covid spreading form one member to another. when close or talking face to face with one another wear a mask, No hugs, don;t shake hands, make sure the building has good air circulation, look out and care for one another.
Two churches where Ipreach at have opened and when I have taken services there I have felt other and myself have been safe.

 

[Brightmoon]

There’s a new member SunsetsAndSkylines who’s got Covid 19 and she’s requesting prayers . If you think this is a joke disease ask her how she feels . I’m also requesting prayers for her.

 

[Brightmoon]

I had tests done for Covid-19 again after still feeling sick AGES after catching it. My tests are STILL positive and I've starting feeling even worse.

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[Brightmoon]

Sometimes there is a long delay before you start showing symptoms of Covid . This disease is not a political statement. It’s deadly and it injures ! Wear your mask ! Social distance! And stop treating this as if you have the civil right to infect others .

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

The church opens its doors to the public. Have fun meeting outside in driving rainstorms and in subzero weather. Do you really expect Christians to meet outside in the midwest and northeast in January? Ridiculous.

So why do you believe that God will protect you from COVID, but not from the cold?

Or is it more that you really do believe that you could come to harm from the winter cold, and therefore don't expect that people should worship in those conditions, whereas you believe that COVID is some kind of hoax, therefore you think that there's actually no reason not to keep meeting indoors (where infections are spreading)?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

So why do you believe that God will protect you from COVID,






but not from the cold?

Or is it more that you really do believe that you could come to harm from the winter cold, and therefore don't expect that people should worship in those conditions, whereas you believe that COVID is some kind of hoax, therefore you think that there's actually no reason not to keep meeting indoors (where infections are spreading)?

Has ((((( anyone ))))) actually said that?
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