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My apologies for not being more clear in what I noted, as the Book reference I gave out was not meant to convey that I in ANY way support Matthew Fox in his teachings (seeing that he was brought up at one point in the book). The intention was to point to what the author noted on the early Fathers when it came to the subject of Panentheism and what philosophy has often said on it in general....I think the Catholic church is not very big on Matthew Fox's teachings. That's why I am trying to understand this in light of Orthodox teaching.
Easy G. I should say I agree with what you are saying and you put it beautifully. I just wanted to stay within the bounds of traditional teaching. Hence, why I discounted Matthew Fox..for now.
After reading this thread, I can't get the song "He's got the whole world in His hands ..." out of my head
Without God sustaining and permeating all of His creation, creation wouldn't be. He breathes/breathed life into his creation which He made out of nothing. In other words, there is no existence outside of God because God is the fountainhead of all existence and being.
Easy G (G²);60269247 said:One of the most powerful songs in existence....and so glad I was taught it when I was younger:
Thank you for responding to my question regarding whether God depends on us for anything or needs us. Could you, or anyone, please expound on this?
do you mean that God has no needs? because God is eternally self sustaining, it's one of the characteristics of divinity. He requires nothing to be Himself and just is.
When I first started looking into Panentheism, I saw this quote:
The panentheistic God/universe setup is like a mutual admiration society: God needs you, and you need God. God depends on the world, and the world depends on God Since God is always growing, or "in process," he never perfectly achieves his aims. In metaphorical terms, God is always on the path but he never reaches his destination. The actual is what he is; the potential is what he is eternally becoming.
Norman Geisler, as quoted in The Last Temptation of Christ Denied (1989) by Bob Passatino and Gretchen Passatino
Panentheism - Wikiquote
It sounded far out to me. I just wanted to verify that this was NOT the Orthodox understanding. I can see now that it isn't. I don't even understand what this guy is talking about. Thanks.
it can be confusing to adopt such terms as Panentheism...as it can mean different things to different people depending on their background/experiences. We embrace Panentheism, but only as understood within the proper Orthodox context.
God is good...all the time...and all the time...God is Good..Thanks Easy G. It resonates with my spirit. God is good.
Easy G (G²);60278699 said:It's like asking others in Orthodoxy to apologize for the term "theosis" or the concept of deification because they've assumed (in the Protestant world) that any kind of deification means man is equal to God---and haven't taken the time to be respecful/see the ways other groups used the term.
Was just thinking that. Thanks for noting it, as it has come up quite often. It seems to also come up from others generally with a mindset that man is simply a sinner and any mention of exaltation is putting man wrongfully out of place. I can understand the attempt at humility since they don't wish to fall into the trap of exalting self--but seems to be the same problem in reverse when exalting one's own views above what the Lord says and saying "It just can't be true...."I've seen this especially from those that only had knowledge of the Mormon doctrine of Exaltation.
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