Pagan holidays mixing with Christian ones

[prodromos]

Then you should have little difficulty proving it; especially if there is any truth to those recordings.

Another time in the appropriate thread.

 

[prodromos]

"Early Christians celebrated Passover on the 14th day of the first month and a study of the dates on which Easter is celebrated will reveal that the celebration of Easter is not observed in accordance with the prescribed time for the observance of Passover. After much debate, the Nicaean council of 325 A.D. decreed that 'Easter' should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the vernal equinox. Why was so much debate necessary if 'Easter' was a tradition passed down from the Apostles?"--Richard Rives, Too Long in the Sun

It was being celebrated everywhere that Christianity spread. The only issue that arose was whether the death and resurrection of Christ should be celebrated on the same dates on which the events occurred, or whether to celebrate them on the same days of the week.

The Truth On Easter

Er, no. Lots of falsehood in fact.

 

[Root of Jesse]

It took you quite a while to work this up!

Easter (n.)
Old English Easterdæg, from Eastre (Northumbrian Eostre), from Proto-Germanic *austron-, "dawn," also the name of a goddess of fertility and spring, perhaps originally of sunrise, whose feast was celebrated at the spring equinox, from *aust- "east, toward the sunrise" (compare east), from PIE root *aus- (1) "to shine," especially of the dawn.

easter | Origin and meaning of the name easter by Online Etymology Dictionary

Yeah, the English word means "toward the east." so what?
Middle English estre, from Old English ēastre; akin to Old High German ōstarun(plural) Easter, Old English ēast east

The Festival is called "Pascha", please spend two weeks looking that one up and come back and report.

Deuteronomy 12:31
New International Version
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods

Right. We worship God in OUR way, not theirs. We don't burn our sons and daughters as sacrifices, either. strike 2

Asherah
אֲשֵׁרָה‬ Goddess of motherhood and fertility
Lady of the Sea
Asherah - Wikipedia

(CLV) Dt 12:3
You will tear down their altars and break their monuments; their Asherah poles you shall burn with fire, and the carvings of their elohim you shall hack down; thus you will destroy their name from that place.

And yeah, he was speaking to the Hebrews, who were getting ready to invade Canaan.

Easter (n.)
Old English Easterdæg, from Eastre (Northumbrian Eostre), from Proto-Germanic *austron-, "dawn," also the name of a goddess of fertility and spring, perhaps originally of sunrise, whose feast was celebrated at the spring equinox, from *aust- "east, toward the sunrise" (compare east), from PIE root *aus- (1) "to shine," especially of the dawn.

easter | Origin and meaning of the name easter by Online Etymology Dictionary



Deuteronomy 12:31
New International Version
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods

Asherah
אֲשֵׁרָה‬ Goddess of motherhood and fertility
Lady of the Sea
Asherah - Wikipedia

(CLV) Dt 12:3
You will tear down their altars and break their monuments; their Asherah poles you shall burn with fire, and the carvings of their elohim you shall hack down; thus you will destroy their name from that place.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Is that your opinion?

Well, she is not Christian now. So the question would be, was she ever Christian?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Why do you believe that is uncreated light?



John 1-14
And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth.

Grace and truth are characteristics of a human soul in a glorified state. Power and judgement characterizes Divine Glory. That is the Glory the Father gives back to Him when He sits at His right hand again. Could the Glory seen at the Transfiguration be Jesus' Divine Glory that He emptied Himself of to become Man?
In the light of the Transfiguration the most high heaven before the Resurrection becomes visible. That's where Moses and Elijah are and why the Cross to come is the subject of their conversation with Jesus. It's also why the disciples could know that two men they have never seen before are Moses and Elijah. They saw the truth of them because they saw them in light full of grace and truth.

The heaven that Christ Crucified opens up hadn't been opened up yet. That is, the Transfiguration happened before Christ opened the highest heaven. According to the Scriptures.

Because Christ is uncreated.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Christmas was placed on the winter solstice.
Jesus was born in September.

proof, please.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Passover has its' origins in YHWH's Pesach. Easter does not. Do you celebrate Easter as YHWH commands Israel, FOREVER?

If so, then you might begin to have a valid point. If you are celebrating YHWH's Moed, on the wrong day, with egg laying bunnies; then your argument is childish.

A Moed is an appointment with YHWH.

If you make an appointment with your doctor, then not show; then he calls you to see what happened. You tell him that you did keep his appointment, when you grabbed a basket, filled it with fake grass, fake eggs, and chocolate bunny statues, with sprinkles; he might have you committed for a psychological evaluation.

I don't know anyone, other than children, who associate Easter with eggs and bunnies.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Devarim 13:1 CJB

What's Devarim?

Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.

Leviticus 23
Leviticus 23World English Bible (WEB)

4 “‘These are the set feasts of Yahweh, even holy convocations, which you shall proclaim in their appointed season. 5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month in the evening, is Yahweh’s Passover. 6 On the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to Yahweh. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no regular work. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to Yahweh seven days. In the seventh day is a holy convocation: you shall do no regular work.’”

Eusebius' Life of Constantine, Book 3 chapter 18 records Constantine the Great as writing:

"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."


Theodoret’s Ecclesiastical History 1.9 records The Epistle of the Emperor Constantine, concerning the matters transacted at the Council, addressed to those Bishops who were not present:

“It was, in the first place, declared improper to follow the custom of the Jews in the celebration of this holy festival, because, their hands having been stained with crime, the minds of these wretched men are necessarily blinded. … Let us, then, have nothing in common with the Jews, who are our adversaries. … avoiding all contact with that evil way. … who, after having compassed the death of the Lord, being out of their minds, are guided not by sound reason, but by an unrestrained passion, wherever their innate madness carries them. … a people so utterly depraved. … Therefore, this irregularity must be corrected, in order that we may no more have any thing in common with those parricides and the murderers of our Lord. … no single point in common with the perjury of the Jews.”

Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church, volume 3, section 79, The Time of the Easter Festival states:

"The feast of the resurrection was thenceforth required to be celebrated everywhere on a Sunday, and never on the day of the Jewish passover, but always after the fourteenth of Nisan, on the
Sunday after the first vernal full moon. The leading motive for this regulation was opposition to Judaism, which had dishonored the passover by the crucifixion of the Lord. ... At Nicaea, therefore, the Roman and Alexandrian usage with respect to Easter triumphed, and the Judaizing practice of the
Quartodecimanians, who always celebrated Passover on the fourteenth of Nisan, became thenceforth a heresy. Yet that practice continued in many parts of the East, and in the time of Epiphanius, about a.d. 400, there were many, Quartodecimanians, who, as he says, were orthodox, indeed, in doctrine, but in ritual were addicted to Jewish fables, and built upon the principle: “Cursed is every one who does not keep his passover on the fourteenth of Nisan.”

YHWH's word is a fable?


Deuteronomy 27:26
"Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying
them out."


Daniel 7:25

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change religious festivals and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Nonsense.

I've attended many churches that have provided Easter egg hunts.

Nimrod (/ˈnɪm.rɒd/;[1] Hebrew: נִמְרוֹדֿ‬, Modern Nímród, Tiberian Nímrōth Aramaic: ܢܡܪܘܕ‎ Arabic: النمرود, an-Namrood‎), a biblical figure described as a king in the land of Shinar (Assyria/Mesopotamia), was, according to the Book of Genesis and Books of Chronicles, the son of Cush, therefore the great-grandson of Noah. The Bible states that he was "a mighty hunter before the Lord

Nimrod - Wikipedia

But that's NOT the way we celebrate the resurrection of Our Lord.

 

[Hieronymus]

proof, please.

Revelation 12, sings in the heavens (the heavens proclaim).

 

[Root of Jesse]

Revelation 12, sings in the heavens (the heavens proclaim).

Certainly doesn't say Jesus was born in September...

 

[Hieronymus]

Certainly doesn't say Jesus was born in September...

You would have understood if you watched the podcast, but it's quite long.
What it boils down to is that the signs in the heavens described in revelation 12 (woman giving birth) occurred on September 11 3BC (on our calendar) and lasted for 80 minutes.

 

[prodromos]

You would have understood if you watched the podcast, but it's quite long.
What it boils down to is that the signs in the heavens described in revelation 12 (woman giving birth) occurred on September 11 3BC (on our calendar) and lasted for 80 minutes.

Seriously? A third of the stars were cast down to earth on September 11 3BC? I'm pretty sure we would not be here today if that had occurred

 

[Eloy Craft]

Because Christ is uncreated.

Jesus was human in nature too. Jesus' body and soul are created. His humanity isn't consubstantial with the Father and Holy Spirit.



Colossians 1 15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Gen 1

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Religions which predate Christianity used a lot of ceremonies involving water. Some even used water as a means of welcoming new members.

Is baptism derived from these pagan practices too?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Jesus was human in nature too. Jesus' body and soul are created. His humanity isn't consubstantial with the Father and Holy Spirit.



Colossians 1 15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Gen 1

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.

Really? I don't think this is right. Christ has two natures, human and divine, but is one being.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Really? I don't think this is right. Christ has two natures, human and divine, but is one being.

what part isn't right? Surely you aren't suggesting that Jesus body and soul arent created? That the Second Divine Person didn't empty Himself and become a man? Son of Man. Son of Mary?

 

[~Anastasia~]

Jesus was ALREADY a Divine Person, the second Person of the Holy Trinity, God Himself.

There was not a new human "person" created (but we have to be REALLY careful how we understand "Person" in this context, since we are using translated words.

Christ, the Divine Logos, took on human flesh, became Incarnate, added something to Himself that He was not before (human).

I'm not sure how this fits into what is being suggested, because I don't quite understand what is being suggested.

But Christianity was VERY careful to define the Person of Christ as He revealed Himself to us.

 

[Choose Wisely]

"Sun wheel"? What kind of nonsense is this?

PAGAN SUN WORSHIP AND CATHOLICISM - THE PAGAN SUN WHEEL

 

[Choose Wisely]

Dodging. Try again. Here, I'll repeat myself for you:

How about this, you can get a chance to show us that you do know what you're talking about, all you have to do is provide evidence for when Nimrod's birthday was.

-CryptoLutheran

VALENTINE’S DAY Pagan Practice or Christian Custom?
I certainly would not consider a link to a page as proof. However, do enough checking around and you will find that things are not as they appear. BTW, Nimbods birthday was actually February 15th........celebrated on the evening of the 14th.