Overreaching gay rights movement; Indiana's religious freedom act (2)

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Please show anything in the US Constitution that indicates this. Show where ANY form of speech is reserved from the First Amendment protection of Free Speech.
The easiest example is yelling fire in a theater -- that is quite illegal...
Is it in the US Constitution as an exception???
 
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I have not missed it. If they speak about it anywhere near an abortion clinic, they certainly have been hauled off to jail.

Completely untrue.

Refusing to participate in something that is wrong according to a citizen's protected religious freedom is not equivalent to MOB RETRIBUTION.

If your line of work requires you to violate your religious beliefs, then it is time you found a new line of work. It is really that simple. You can't violate other peoples' rights and hide behind your religion as a justification for violation of those rights. You shouldn't expect everyone else to adhere to the rules of your religion. That's not how religious rights work.

Right expressions of constitutionally protected religious freedom are under assault in this and other ways by the democratic (being born of democracy) mob.

Religious freedoms are not unlimited. Religious freedoms end where another person's freedoms begin. One of those rights is to not be discriminated against. Do you think you can get away with mass murder by stating, "My religious beliefs allow me to kill other people"?

It is LAWFUL, LEGAL according to the US Constitution to peaceably assemble, and speak about what abortion really is, but that has gotten people arrested.

Again, that is completely untrue.
 
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Is it in the US Constitution as an exception???

Breaking news!

A whole bunch of things are not in the constitution and legal scholars would tell you, the document was written in general terms so it could be applied to situations they could not for see.

This is why, we have judges and the supreme court, to make this interpretations and it has long been held, freedom of speech rights, has certain limits.

It may do you well, to google limitations on freedom of speech, to better understand the same from a legal perspective.
 
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... in the western US in the late 1800s and early 1900s there were frequently laws banning firearms within a towns city limits, where the guns must be left with the sheriff...
Unconstitutional behavior by those localities, and " late 1800s and early 1900s" is NOT ALWAYS...
 
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I have not missed it. If they speak about it anywhere near an abortion clinic, they certainly have been hauled off to jail.

Yes. Oddly enough trespassing and harassment is still illegal no matter what activity are engaged in while doing so.

Refusing to participate in something that is wrong according to a citizen's protected religious freedom is not equivalent to MOB RETRIBUTION. The exact opposite is happening. Right expressions of constitutionally protected religious freedom are under assault in this and other ways by the democratic (being born of democracy) mob.

It is LAWFUL, LEGAL according to the US Constitution to peaceably assemble, and speak about what abortion really is, but that has gotten people arrested. The US Constitution guarantees other rights, but in 1968, contrary to that founding document, lawful, legal possession of certain firearms were made illegal. People have gone to jail for that. Some were people who had not ever been arrested for anything prior.

We are discussing going the OPPOSITE way with this, though. Illegal behavior is made legal, being required to be allowed where it is against the will of the people, and even required to be accepted as normal, though it is deviant behavior.


Cool story. Now you want to address your comments about being forced to allow people to live and not being allowed to exact justice upon them?
 
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Deemed unconstitutional. A blight on the history of the nation!

Other limitations on the 2nd Amendment have bee found constitutional:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
DC v. Heller (2008)
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I'll persist in asking, where in the US Constitution is there an exception to free speech, more particularly pertaining to any of these things?
Just as other poster are free to make accusations, I'm free to ask for actual examples. This sub discussion has nothing to do with the Constitution.

But in it spirit of keeping it cordial, there is another sub discussion going on. It does have to do with the Constitution. And I think another poster answered your question already, here-->:wave:
 
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Where in the US Constitution does it state that freedom of speech is unlimited?

Show me in the First Amendment where the limits are.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
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Show me in the First Amendment where the limits are.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What is " freedom of speech"?
 
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Just as other poster are free to make accusations, I'm free to ask for actual examples. This sub discussion has nothing to do with the Constitution.

But in it spirit of keeping it cordial, there is another sub discussion going on. It does have to do with the Constitution. And I think another poster answered your question already, here-->:wave:
Thanks for remaining CIVIL. I know you think this is being cordial, but it is actually merely CIVIL... We could get to the "cordial" level, but I do not see that happening for a number of reasons, many of which are not in my control.

You will need to "quote" that post, as the member is on Digital Ignore status with me. I ignored those comments, by reading past them, as long as seemed reasonable, and now do not see them, nor do I desire to see them.

Having seen other replies, however, I know there are things people recognize as ILLEGAL that have nothing to do with expressing offensive political, or religious oriented speech. That is a "strawman" though, because it is not what any of the "free speech" issues we were discussing were related to.

I am responding to the point of equating the religious freedom afforded by the law instituted under Clinton #42, and the Indiana law, to people with no religious standing or position.
 
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Thanks for remaining CIVIL. I know you think this is being cordial, but it is actually merely CIVIL... We could get to the "cordial" level, but I do not see that happening for a number of reasons, many of which are not in my control.

You will need to "quote" that post, as the member is on Digital Ignore status with me. I ignored those comments, by reading past them, as long as seemed reasonable, and now do not see them, nor do I desire to see them.

Having seen other replies, however, I know there are things people recognize as ILLEGAL that have nothing to do with expressing offensive political, or religious oriented speech. That is a "strawman" though, because it is not what any of the "free speech" issues we were discussing were related to.

I am responding to the point of equating the religious freedom afforded by the law instituted under Clinton #42, and the Indiana law, to people with no religious standing or position.
Civil, fair enough.

The post I refereed to
Interpretations made by the Judicial Branch carry the weight of the US Constitution.
 
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Show me in the First Amendment where the limits are.

Show me where any right in the US Constitution is considered to be unlimited.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Where does it say that those rights are unlimited? If my religion says that I can kill whomever I want whenever I want, can I be prosecuted for murder?
 
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