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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Mar 16, 2019.

  1. Erik Nelson

    Erik Nelson Well-Known Member Supporter

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    1 Corinthians 8:6
    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
     
  2. Hammster

    Hammster Narrow-minded Bible-thumper Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Okay. How do you see that this addresses the OP?
     
  3. Erik Nelson

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    we derive from God similar to how children derive from their father
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Narrow-minded Bible-thumper Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Okay.
     
  5. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    He is first and foremost the Father of Jesus Christ. He is "Father" because Jesus calls Him this, because Jesus is the Son begotten of the Father before all ages.

    We have come to known Jesus' Father as our Father by grace, as adopted children, as joint-heirs with Christ.

    It's not mere title, but neither is His divine paternity chiefly about His relationship to creation--it's about His eternal relationship to His Son, our Lord Jesus; to whom we have been united by grace by the Holy Spirit.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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  6. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    This is a passage that is often misunderstood.

    As applied to the Messiah (our Lord Jesus) this passage is about Christ's royalty as the King. He is called "everlasting father" not because He's His own Father, but because as the King He is a father to His people. The idea that kings are fathers of the nation is a very old and common motif. Jesus is a father by His being the Great King. He is not the Father, He's the Son of the Father. When our Lord prayed and spoke to His Father He was not talking to Himself, but to Another, the One from whom He has His eternal origin as the Son.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  7. Ing Bee

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    A relational description, a reminder of the origin, basis, and present reality of the New Life.

    I would think that the emphasis in the NT writings on "Father" language points to (among other things):
    1. Our adoption into the family of God (Titus 3:3-7)
    2. ... which based on being immersed in the Son (Romans 6:1-11)
    3. ... who is beloved of the Father and represents the Father (John 5:20)
    4. ... as do we now, so others can be reconciled to God. (2 Cor. 5:20)
     
  8. derpytia

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    Scripture tells us that God does indeed discipline us and that when He does so he is treating us like sons. It also says in Deuteronomy that God disciplines us like a parent does to their son. Even before Jesus paid for our sins on the cross, God assumed a parental role over all who love Him. He can be Lord of all and Father at the same time. Worshipping Him and calling on Him like a child does to their father are not mutually exclusive :)
     
  9. Blade

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    Well... if we only go by what Christ said.. to call Him Father was not enough. But to call Him ABBA! Father does not even come close to what HE is to us..
     
  10. RaymondG

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    Yes He is the Father of us all.......but especially to them that believe. For they are able to benefit from the knowledge of this relationship. It is like one having a bank account with 1 million in it....but yet struggling through life because they are unaware of it's existence.....
     
  11. Hammster

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    In what way is He a Father to unbelievers?
     
  12. RaymondG

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    Once a paternity test is taken and it is proven....there is no undoing this knowledge..... Yet, this has little bearing on the relationship the children will have with their father...
     
  13. Hammster

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    Okay. How does this relate to the question?
     
  14. A_Thinker

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    They are made in His image ?
     
  15. Hammster

    Hammster Narrow-minded Bible-thumper Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    That would make them His creation. Does it make them His children?
     
  16. A_Thinker

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    Everything is His creation. Not everything is created in His image.

    Ephesians 4:6 says that God is the Father of all ... even as Eve is the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20)

    Would you consider that the designation "Father" has varying shades of meaning ?
     
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  17. RaymondG

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    The same way He is to those that believe. He loves the prodigal just as much as the one who never leaves.
     
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  18. Hammster

    Hammster Narrow-minded Bible-thumper Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    You took that verse out of context, so your meaning doesn’t apply. And you still haven’t answered my question.
     
  19. Hammster

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    I’m a believer, and I was given to Christ by the Father. As such, I’m also sitting at the right hand of the Father. Does that also apply to the unbeliever?
     
  20. RaymondG

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    Once one discovers God is their father, it cannot be undiscovered, or undone......you are set free with the truth.

    The same applies for all......One comes to the knowledge of Christ.....it is a transformations that happens by the renewing of your mind. It is a journey to the end by remembering the beginning... You will only become what you are, and go where you have been and already are. But it doesnt stop at belief....one must know. Know that mystery......"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory"

    "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?"

    " what does this(above) have to do with the Question," you ask? Im not sure....but i guess someone needed to hear it.
     
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