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OSAS Arminian????

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by DeaconDean, Apr 21, 2010.

  1. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    I saw a member here claim to hold to OSAS and claim to be Arminian.

    To me, this is a contridiction of terms.

    One of the tenants of Arminisnism is:

    As opposed to Calvinism, which teaches:

    So, how can an individual maintain, or advocte OSAS and maintain an Arminian viewpoint? Is it even possible?

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  2. mlqurgw

    mlqurgw Well-Known Member

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    OSAS and Perseverance are not the same thing. So yes it is possible for an Arminian to hold to OSAS. OSAS says that once you make a decision to allow Jesus into your heart you are always saved no matter how you live. Perseverance teaches that God, by grace, keeps the chosen redeemed sinner who has been given the gift of faith in Christ in faith. The original Remonstrants were undecided on the issue actually. Now I may be wrong on this one but I believe it was Wesleyan Arminianism that taught falling away. Arminainism comes in many shades now just as does Calvinism. The doctrine of OSAS gave birth among Arminians to easy believism. I have known many Arminians who held to OSAS. What they have done is take the Scriptures that clearly teach that it is impossible for a true believer to finally fall away and twist it into a doctrine that makes salvation a one time thing that you get when you make a decision.
     
  3. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    I disagree brother.

    One of the tenants of Arminianism is that one can lose their salvation.

    As Arminianism teaches:

    Source

    Salvation, in Arminainism, is contengent upon you remaining "in Christ" upon the condition of faith.

    Even John wesley advocated this position:

    Source

    The OSAS position, goes against the basics of Arminianism.

    They are incompatable.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  4. mlqurgw

    mlqurgw Well-Known Member

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    Yes they are incompatible. But do you know any consistent Arminians? :thumbsup:
     
  5. Hammster

    Hammster Back in Black Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    I was a OSAS Arminian. And yes it is inconsistant. :D
     
  6. desmalia

    desmalia sounds like somebody's got a case of the mondays

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    Yep, it definitely is inconsistent. Yet many Christians believe it anyway.
    Our senior pastor calls himself a one point Calvinist (as he does agree with the P), or a four point Arminian. He doesn't support easy believism for the most part. His argument is that once the person becomes a believer God takes control, chooses them, holds them firmly in His hand, etc. etc.

    Now, our associate pastor is in much worse shape. Recently he preached on OSAS, using some horrific analogies, such as comparing the Holy Spirit to the keys to your car, etc. And that we can have assurance of our salvation through our tight grasp on His hand (um, can anyone say BACKWARDS?). It was so pathetic I seriously nearly walked out of the service. Though that's pretty much what we've come to expect from that guy. Needless to say, I'm still utterly discouraged by the complete lack of doctrinally sound teaching in my city.
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  7. Hammster

    Hammster Back in Black Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    Yikes. That's bad even for an Arminian.
     
  8. DD2008

    DD2008 Well-Known Member

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    There is no such thing as an OSAS arminian. There might be an OSAS calminian but believing in OSAS forces one out of the arminian camp.
     
  9. student ad x

    student ad x Senior Contributor

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    Calminian? :D
     
  10. DD2008

    DD2008 Well-Known Member

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    ;)

    A confused arminianish person who accepts some calvinism like OSAS.

    Calminian.

    I think a lot of Baptists are calminians.