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Featured Orthodoxy: Does God really exist?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Andreea2017, May 21, 2018.

  1. Anna Scott

    Anna Scott Senior Member

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    You can read, study, question, ask others for help (all good); but it really comes down to faith.

    The good news is that we can ask for help in our unbelief.

    Cry out to Christ for help in your "unbelief," as a father did for his son's sake, according to the Gospel of Mark.

    Mark 9
    24 Straightway the father of the child cried out, and said, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

    And. . . . .know that Jesus is the author and perfecter of faith. . . . .

    Hebrews 12:1-2
    Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of [our] faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    We walk by faith, not by sight. . . . .

    2 Corinthians 5:6-8
    6 Being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord 7 (for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8 we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

    Let your requests be made known to God. . . . .

    Philippians 4:6-8
    6 In nothing be anxious; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

    7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

    8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    Seek and you will find. . . .

    Matthew 7:7-8
    7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

    We work out our salvation in fear and trembling. . . . .

    Philippians 2:1-13
    If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions, 2 make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 [doing] nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; 4 not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others.

    5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross.

    9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven and [things] on earth and [things] under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
     
  2. Andreea2017

    Andreea2017 New Member

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    Something we can't understand ≠ supernatural
     
  3. Radagast

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    Kind of. I thought that accepting the Creed was fundamental to being Orthodox?
     
  4. frater_domus

    frater_domus Faith is all that matters. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    It seems that no matter what people say, you will find a counter argument. The truth of the matter is that noone here can make you believe. It is beyond human power. Faith itself is a gift from God. I used to think similarly in my early days since I came to Christianity and no amount of asking or research solved the problem. What made it happen is me praying God to increase my faith.

    It seems that you want to believe, yet you struggle with doubt. However, that is a good thing. Doubt is not the enemy if faith, but its guardian. With doubt, we do not become complacent or arrogant in our knowledge. It causes us to dig deeper and test our faith. Face and challenge your doubt.

    I know the struggle and inner barrier you may be experiencing. All I can suggest is to close your eyes and take that inner step. Let go of self and pray for faith. If God wills it, He will answer in due time :)
     
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  5. JoeP222w

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    Romans 1:18-25 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (19) For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. (20) For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. (21) For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (22) Claiming to be wise, they became fools, (23) and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. (24) Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, (25) because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
     
  6. grasping the after wind

    grasping the after wind That's grasping after the wind

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    You are no more talking to anyone now here on this forum than Jesus is speaking through the quotations of his in the Bible. None of us here have ever seen you, your ID card or anything but a few lines printed on the screen. How then can you claim that our skepticism of whether an Adreea2017 actually exists is mentally unstable? It seems to me that we have no convincing evidence to suggest that an actual Andreea 2017 does exist. We must take it on faith alone that an Andreea 2017 does in fact exist and that we are in reality conversing with that being.
     
  7. OzSpen

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    Anna,

    Is it faith founded on fact or a leap of faith?

    Oz
     
  8. Andreea2017

    Andreea2017 New Member

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    Yeah. that doesn't work on me when it comes to God.
     
  9. archer75

    archer75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Isn't DNA found in all our cells, not just the blood?
     
  10. HatGuy

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    Woah! Ole WLC rockin' a sweet beard!
     
  11. Danielwright2311

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    Well yes, but only because there is blood in all cells.
     
  12. ☦Marius☦

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    If you study world history, you will find similar stories across the globe.

    Every culture has a flood story.

    Archeology points that there was once a global, technologically advanced civilization in line with the pre flood people's.

    There is a story in Mayan culture about the sun not coming up for an entire day, right around the time of the Exodus, and moses holding up his staff to stop the sun from setting.

    Background radiation studies point to an order within the explosive energy of the "big bang", which scientists are coming more and more open to being evidence of a creator.

    Drilling in polar Ice caps is giving increasing evidence for a global flood by ice layer analysis.

    Beyond that look at the overwhelming amount of visions, miracles and other such things recorded in history.

    Do you really think the aposles would have died for a lie, when they had nothing to gain?


    I used to be agnostic. But meditating on these things led me to the church.
     
  13. Vicomte13

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    Yes.
    Proof - this does require to examine the science of these things, not simply read Internet skeptic pages:

    (1) The image on the Shroud of Turin - not just who it is, but WHAT it is, how the image is composed.
    (2) The Lanciano Eucharistic miracle (same blood as on the shroud, btw).
    (3) The incorrupt bodies of saints, in particular Bernadette Sourbirous, unrotted after all these years.
    (4) The documented healing miracles at Lourdes (the same place where said Bernadette Soubirous saw the Virgin Mary in the 1830s).
    (5) The sighted Near-Death Experiences of the congenitally blind.
    (6) The NDEs of people who have undergone "stopping" operations to repair brain aneurysm.

    Those are 6 concrete physical proofs or data sets that demonstrate the existence of an intelligent, willful God.

    Absent that, natural law simply IS God, albeit unconscious. God can be reduced to a definition of that which is causes everything, and that's natural law. The only interesting question is whether God has a MIND. Gravity and Electricity and their principles as God is true, in the way they work, but it's not very interesting. But the six sets of miracles above demonstrate an intelligent and willful God commanding the laws of nature and bending them to his will.

    Oh, and the ABSENCE of any comparable non-Christian miracles means that the real God is more properly approached through Christianity than otherwise.

    There's your proofs. Do with them what you will.
     
  14. All4Christ

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    The Nicene Creed absolutely is fundamental to Orthodoxy.
     
  15. Vicomte13

    Vicomte13 Well-Known Member

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    Of course.
     
  16. archer75

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    So, taking the fact of DNA in blood cells as some kind of "proof" of "the blood is the life" seems a little generous to me.
     
  17. Monk Brendan

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    Read Mark 9:24
    “And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.”

    You can also pray for the gift of faith. Even if you don't believe in Him, He believes in you.
     
  18. Vicomte13

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    Me too, so thank goodness I didn't say anything like that. I merely provided a short factual answer to a short factual question about the presence of DNA in cells.

    The Proofs I presented was a list of 6, and didn't refer to DNA but to physical things that broke the laws of nature to come into existence. These miracles are not simply physical (though they are that), they also convey information.

    The OP asked for non-idiosyncratic, external proof. My list of 6, above, was my answer to that. My answer, that every cell contains DNA, of course, was merely a short answer to a science quiz question.
     
  19. fat wee robin

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    No not everything is subjective as there is very real proof of God's existence and you are doing the right thing by asking .You are also right to be sceptical of those who get irritated by your doubts and questions .
    You are very young ,and knowing God, and that He really exists is a journey and again, it is good that you are asking questions . However knowing God is more like hearing and understanding classical music , it cannot quite be described in a purely material sense, just as you cannot hear classical music by reading the black and white notes written on paper .
    As you search for God and ask Him to teach and inspire you, you will come to 'hear ' Him and .
     
  20. fat wee robin

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    Einstein said he was searching for God ,and that was why he studied maths and physics . God therefore gave him the job of bringing us into the modern world, which He had promised .
    Dawkins has made no breakthroughs , but those who do, are at least Deists and many are Christians of different dénominations .
     
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