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Orthodoxy and the Constitution

Discussion in 'St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Chr' started by SpyridonOCA, Jan 16, 2008.

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  1. SpyridonOCA

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    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]In explaining how Orthodox Christians understand Scripture; by appealing to the church fathers, those closest in proximity and time to the original authors; my priest made an allusion to how the Constitution should be interpreted, within the historical context in which it was written. This is how a libertarian, or more properly termed, a Constitutionalist, would read the founding documents of our country. Please allow me to specify some of the similarities between Orthodoxy and Constitutionalism. [/FONT]

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The Orthodox Christian believes that Scripture cannot be understood in a vacuum, and neither can the individual interpret its text in any way one pleases. Those who stray from Holy Tradition, abandoning the apostolic testimony for their own imagining, do so at their own peril. The libertarian believes that the Constitution cannot be interpreted in any way one pleases, but that for liberty to be upheld, the Constitution must be read and enforced as originally intended by its framers. When government steps outside its Constitutional limits, it does so at its own peril and that of we the people. [/FONT]

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Libertarians believe in federalism, distrusting the centralization of government power as threatening to liberty. According to the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” The Orthodox Church is distrusting of centralized authority. Rather than recognizing a Pope, each Orthodox jurisdiction is autonomous, much like the individual states under a federalist system of government. [/FONT]

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Libertarians deny that an executive figure should have the power to usurp the rule of law, just as Orthodox Christians believe that the Pope is without the authority to modify Apostolic Tradition. Libertarians recognize our rights as God-given, not granted by the head of state. The Orthodox Church has no head but Jesus, the incarnate God. Papal innovations inspired the Protestant Revolt, which has divided Western Christendom into thousands of competing denominations, a total catastrophe. Disregard for the Constitution has threatened peace and individual freedom, creating imperialistic war and a culture of dependency. [/FONT]

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Libertarians believe that, under the Constitution, only Congress has the authority to declare war, and that military force should only be used when America is under attack. The Orthodox Church teaches that all killing, even in war, is a grave sin, and that armed resistance is only justified to defend those who cannot defend themselves. Libertarians believe that individuals have the right to life, and that peaceful means are always preferable to the use of force. Orthodox Christians believe that every individual is an image of Christ and should be treated as such. [/FONT]

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Libertarians believe in the separation of church and state, recognizing that the merger of state and ecclesiastical power corrupts both. Orthodox Christians recognize no government as having the authority which belongs only to the Kingdom of God. Libertarians believe that no nation-state is specially chosen by God. Philetism, the confusion of the Orthodox faith with your national identity, is condemned by the Church as heresy. [/FONT]

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,trebuchet,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]These are just some examples of the similarity between Orthodoxy and Constitutionalism. I believe that, under a Constitutional form of government, the Church will most thrive, because she will have the freedom to worship without fear of state persecution.[/FONT]



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  2. kamikat

    kamikat my love is bigger than a cadillac

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    If you truly believe yourself to be a Libertarian, don't fall for this Republican. You need to get behind the Libertarian Party and support the true Libertarian candidate. Right now, there are 3 possible men running for the Libertarian nomination. Some of us have been fighting the good fight for a while. This Republican ain't no real Libertarian. Sure, he once ran as a Libertarian, but he turned his back on the Party.
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  3. SpyridonOCA

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    Is there anything specifically that you have against Ron Paul, other than his party affiliation? Does the Libertarian Party have anyone in office for any elected position?
     
  4. SpyridonOCA

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    I failed to mention that, if the Constitution were followed, America would not be the policeman of the world, bombing Orthodox countries on Pascha Sunday.
     
  5. kamikat

    kamikat my love is bigger than a cadillac

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    At the national level, there are no Liberatarian elected officials. However, there are Liberatarians in state and local offices all across the country. http://chelm.freeyellow.com/libsusa.html
    He turned his back on his party. The American people will not truly have voting options until Third Party Candidates are on the ballots everywhere. Choosing between evil A and evil B is no real choice and is no real Democracy.
     
  6. SpyridonOCA

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    Wasn't he a Republican Congressman before he ran for president as a Libertarian?
     
  7. Knowledge3

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    Note:When interpreting the Consitution of North America, you conform your views to fit the original unaltered Consitution of the American founding fathers ~ you don't alter and edit the original Consitution to conform with your views.
     
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