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Orthodox Lite

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by authiodionitist, Sep 11, 2007.

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  1. authiodionitist

    authiodionitist Senior Member

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    Hey all, Just drop this off from the TAW side of CF.... ;)

    ‘Orthodox lite’ services draw ritual-hungry evangelicals

    http://www.larknews.com/september_20...ary.php?page=5

    AKRON, Ohio — When a new Antiochian Orthodox church opened up and drew families from several evangelical churches, it created a minor buzz around town.
    At the Evangelical Free church, it also created another service.
    "I’ve been caught off guard by other shifts in church trends," says EV Free pastor Brian Fitzgerald, 44. "Not this time."
    In a defensive maneuver, his church soon added an Orthodox-style service to cater to people who want more ritual and a feeling of connection to historical tradition.
    "It’s the same sermon, same worship songs in many cases, just done in a more liturgical style," Fitzgerald says. "I don’t mind changing the packaging for people. It freshens it up for them and for me."
    The new "Liturgical Service," as they call it, has become the most popular service even among young people. After the "standard" evangelical service at 9:30 a.m., workers decorate the platform with candles, non-specific iconography and other religious-looking items. Fitzgerald wears generic vestments and adopts a more somber manner. He reads from a liturgical book and the congregation responds by reading words on the screens.
    "I like the reverence and the mood," says one girl, 16. "It feels more spiritual."
    "I like the candles," her friend chimes in.
    The effort seems to be working to keep church members from straying elsewhere. In St. Paul, Minn., Family Life Center recently created a liturgical service and says some families have opted to stay rather than try out other churches. Jessica Onstead, 38, was dissatisfied enough last year with the "fluffiness" of evangelical church services that she visited an Orthodox service and liked parts of it. But she was uncomfortable with the "kissing of strangers, genuflecting and standing for an hour during the sermon."
    She ended up back at her non-denominational church which had by then added an Orthodox-style service. She now attends "standard" services one week and Orthodox-style the next, at the same church.
    "One is light and airy, and the other is dark and sacred," she says. "I get a balance this way."
    One pastor explains that most people don’t want to switch traditions, but just want "a taste of ritual and liturgy to supplement their usual tradition. If a few candles and a change of presentation satisfy that, we’re all for it."
    Other evangelicals who have flirted with the Orthodox tradition found that they, too, prefer courtship to commitment. The Bartel family of suburban Cleveland, Ohio, tried the local Orthodox church for a month, but "couldn’t make the cultural shift long-term," says the father. When they walked back into an evangelical service, "the drums and guitars sounded pretty good for once."
     
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  2. MrSnow

    MrSnow Senior Member

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    Let me tell ya, dude, NOTHIN' compares to the EO's Paschal Liturgy (and the DL of St John Chrysostom). No amount of liturgizin' at an evangelical church could match what you guys do in your liturgies, in particular the Slavic style of stuff (Byzantine chant just doesn't do it for me).
     
  3. FaithfulRemnant

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    Yep, the Liturgy or Mass is heaven on earth. I see nothing wrong with adding a ritual service in an evangelical church. It's actually common in many protestant churches for ages.
     
  4. authiodionitist

    authiodionitist Senior Member

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    I feel ya. And that's just what the Russian emissaries said a thousand years ago when they came to Constantinople!
     
  5. NorrinRadd

    NorrinRadd Xian, Biblicist, Fideist, Pneumatic, Antinomian

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    Interesting. No "smells and bells"? It's my understanding that OC worship includes incense and bells because their view is that worship is to be a very multi-sensory experience.

    I think if they are going to try to emulate liturgical services, they should dive in a bit deeper.

    And I say that as one who enjoys the typical guitars and choruses service.
     
  6. authiodionitist

    authiodionitist Senior Member

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    We believe in salvation of the creation - for man, this is for each of his senses: sight (icon), hearing (chant/singing), taste (holy water), touch (venerating icons/saints/unfinsished icons [people]), smell (incense - Let my prayer arise in Thy sight as incense, and may the lifting up of my hands be an evening sacrifice....)
     
  7. NorrinRadd

    NorrinRadd Xian, Biblicist, Fideist, Pneumatic, Antinomian

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    Thanks for the refresher. It's been a little while since an OC friend explained that to me. Not that I'll retain it long... :doh:
     
  8. authiodionitist

    authiodionitist Senior Member

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    I'm sure the memory would last longer if you came to Church again!
    :liturgy:
     
  9. Svt4Him

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    I go to church but the memory is gone.
     
  10. NorrinRadd

    NorrinRadd Xian, Biblicist, Fideist, Pneumatic, Antinomian

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    :)

    I've actually never been to an OC church, even though there are two in my little Mayberry-esque western PA town (and a monastery a few miles out of town).

    My OC friend is an online acquaintance who was formerly Mennonite (and before that, several other things).
     
  11. authiodionitist

    authiodionitist Senior Member

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    So it's a-callin' :wave:
    Go some Sunday. I'd read a pamphlet about it first:
    http://www.saintspiridon.org/firstvisit.html
     
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