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Origin of Allah? (Muslims Members Please Respond)

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by Chris†opher Paul, Sep 10, 2002.

  1. FordPrefect

    FordPrefect WWADGD

    I hate to be critical, and I hate to hijack, but for most of the people here, unless you are crossing language barriers, to you I apologize, buy a dictionary, learn how to use it. Then buy a book on how to follow instructions, that way, when the forum rules state that you cannot put down someone's religion, you won't, no matter how strongly you feel.
  2. Sky

    Sky Active Member

    Do you have any evidence supporting that?
  3. Sky

    Sky Active Member

    I never put down anyone's religion, I just said it was a false religion.
  4. Zico

    Zico Alhamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen


    Ok then,

    you want to know what do i muslims believe ?

    Muslims believe Christ is true and Moses is true and they both were lights of God, yet people who follow them later corrupted their true words, one religion doesn't believe in resurrection after death and the other made Christ the son of God or even God himself.

    and you know what,, later came an unlettered shepherd who spoke in God's name and told the pagans and infidels of his time that their God is but one God, the God who spoke to Moses and saved his people, and the same God who created Christ without a father just like how He created Adam and made him a mercy and gave him the gosple to show people whats right and whats not and to tell them stories of the old.

    Why didn't God destroy Muhammad ?

    Why did he let his religion grow and expand ?

    Muhammad is not krishna or buddha, He spoke in the name of the God of Jesus and Moses so God should have destroyed him. i think was you said was only drived by ignorance.

    This is for people who believe that Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Greek during his ministry, it confirms that Muhammad is the " Periklytos " , and better yet.... its from a Christian website  http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html
  5. Sky

    Sky Active Member

    Interesting. . . . . . . .

    However, I beleve that Jesus is God. Why? Because the Bible, The Word Of God says so. The Bible also says that many false prophets would arise and speak in Jesus' name, just like muhammad.

    What is periklytos?
  6. Zico

    Zico Alhamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen


    the need for Muhammad and the Qur'an is exactly like the need for Jesus to fix what the jews did to the book of Moses.

    and when you ask about the periklytos, it really shows that you did not even bother to check the link i provided so i guess i'm just going to cut and paste after all :


    I am curious why in the Aramaic scriptures the word "paraclete" is used when talking about the "comforter" and the "advocate". Can you enlighten me on this? I believe as you, that Jesus only spoke Aramaic, not Greek.
    Thanks, Ken.

    Dear Ken,

    You have raised an important question. Why indeed are there any Greek words in the "Aramaic Scriptures?" The short answer is that you were working with the "Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]to" which is otherwise known as the West Palestinian "Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ta" that was made to conform to the pre-Christian Septuagint of the Greek church. We know that Jesus did not speak Greek because the Aramaic speaking people in the time of Jesus considered it sinful to speak any other language. This had to be true because the Aramaic Estrangelo Script was the lingua franca in Palestine at the time of Jesus. Aramaic in this script is similar to Arabic and this was the language of commerce and industry. A growing number of scholars now recognize that Jesus spoke this form of Aramaic, not Greek. The square letter Aramaic in Hebraic characters came much later. (See "Western Christian Scholars Awaken to Truth" in the Table of Contents on the Aramaic Bible Society Website). See Eusebius' "Ecclesiastical History", first published in 1928! Also, "The Age of Faith", Will and Ariel Durant's "The Story of Civilization", Vol. 4.

    Follow me as we trace the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.

    Of special interest always is what the name for Muhammad was in his mother tongue, Palestinian Aramaic. For this we have to look to the Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures. According to the present day Aramaic scriptures, the word for Muhammad would read "Paraqleyta" or "Paraklytos" in Greek and "Menahem" in Hebrew! In the ancient Aramaic scriptures, before these changes, it read "Ahmad," then Munahammana" which is the Aramaic/Syriac rendering for the name "Muhammad." These are names, not simply words, and they mean "Comforter" or "Muhammad" in Arabic.

    There is no Aramaic dictionary where you'll find the word "Paraqleyta" because there is no such word in that language. Therefore, two questions are asked:

    Why was "Periklytos" changed to "Paraklytos"?
    Why was Ahmad changed to "Munahammana" and then to "Paraqleyta?"
    History tells us that Muhammad was the only prophet who came shortly after Jesus and did everything Jesus said he would. But, you ask, what is the meaning of all of this? The answer is given in Luke 6:40, "There is no disciple who is more important than his teacher; for every man who is well developed will be like his teacher" (Lamsa) or "The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master" (KJV). Christians are often told that no one can go to heaven except by Jesus. This tells us that the only way anyone can go to heaven is to be Christ-like. Muhammad was such a man. Muslims make a stronger case. They say that Jesus says the only way one can be with Jesus in Heaven is to be as Him, i.e., one who submits to Alaha's Will (Aramaic), Allah's Will (Arabic). To do this is to be a Muslim! But let us return to the study of the word "Comforter."

    John 16:7-13

    But I tell you the truth, It is better for you that I should go away; for if I do not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I should go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will rebuke the world concerning sin, concerning righteousness, and concerning Judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; Concerning righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you will not see me again; Concerning judgment, because the leader of this world has been judged. Again, I have many other things to tell you, but you cannot grasp them now. But when the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all the truth: for he will not speak from himself, but what he hears, that he will speak: and he will make known to you things which are to come in the future. He will glorify me; because he will take of my own and show to you. Everything that my Father has is mine; this is the reason why I told you that he will take of my own and show to you. (Lamsa)

    The difference between Muslims and Christians is that Muslims use the original words that Jesus and all the prophets used. In speaking of John 16:7-13, most Christians will tell you that the "Comforter" Jesus will send is the Holy Ghost. But keep in mind that the Holy Ghost was around before Jesus. In the Aramaic we see that the translation is "Spirit." Jesus, peace be upon him, was talking about the one who would ONLY appear when He joined His Father in Heaven*. In other words, this Spirit of Truth (a man) was never around before. The man Jesus sent was Muhammad.

    If this information is surprising to you, let me take it a step further. Christians and Jews alike have forgotten the history of the Great Nation that was to come out of Ishmael, and the 12 princes that came out of him. Where is the conclusion of the story of Ishmael, and why was it unfinished? Was Ishmael really a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], or was there jealousy involved? If Ishmael was a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], Isaac was a greater [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] because he was born through incest; Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister (Genesis 20:12). This is in the Christian Bible and in the Torah! Muslims do not say this. Jealousy and hatred towards anyone will always make one degrade the one that is hated.

    Having cited the historical shortcomings of the Christian Bibles in matters relevant to its own history and the great nation of Islam, it behooves us to give a brief account of the latter. When God brought Islam, the Muslims won remarkable victories, conquering the Byzantines as well as all other nations. As time went on and the Muslim dynasty flourished, the Muslims developed an urban culture for learning which surpassed that of all other nations. When the Christians forced the Spanish Muslims to accept Christianity, the Christians collected the works of the Muslim physicians and scholars and this work spread all over Europe and of course giving Christians the credit. But it was the Arab caliphs who had supported intercultural institutions like the university at Jundishahpur and the House of Wisdom in Baghdad. It was Arab medicine that had blossomed magnificently. It was the great physicians of the Islamic world who illuminated Europe in the Dark Ages with a well-elaborated science whose outlines are still familiar today.

    The story of the rise of the Muslim empire is not unlike that of Nestorius. (See "The Lynching of Nestorius" in the ABS Table of Contents) When Nestorius, patriarch of Constantinople, 428-431, was forced into exile he and some of his people took the enlightenment of math and the sciences into Persia and even into China. Marco Polo discovered the ruins of the Church of the East erected in the eighth century A.D., long after the death of Nestorius.

    In Service To God,
    Ramazan M. M. Zuberi

    (Christian Supplements by Robert E. Allen, Jr., President, The Aramaic Bible Society, Inc.)

    * The real message of the life and teachings of Jesus, Muhammad and Nestorius can be likened to that of the Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ta and the Qur'an. The Church of the East claims that every copy of the Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ta ever made was certified by every Bishop to be a true and clean copy, the meaning of the word "Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ta" itself. The Qur'an is likened unto it. The Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]to or Pe[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ta of the West was changed, not so often as present day Christian Bibles but changed in ancient times. The Torah was destroyed with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and since has suffered a worse fate. There were only two such scrolls at the time. One was held by the priests, the other by the King. In those times families were charged with the memory of whole books and what was created has been re-written many times to suit the purpose of the writers as with the many versions of the Christian Bible.

    * The Muslim view of the phrase, "He joined His Father in Heaven," is that Jesus never joined God, but is in the second heaven waiting until God sends him on his "second coming". Also, it should be pointed out that Muslim's do not praise even Muhammad's name although it means "the praised one".
  7. Zico

    Zico Alhamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen

    Whats with the " wash my mouth " thing ??????????/