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Orange Order

Discussion in 'Confessional, Covenantal, Creedal - Presbyterian' started by JM, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. JM

    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    This is the Presbyterian forum so I'm looking for Presby answers.

    Any Orangeman on the forum? I ask in here because many of them are Presby. I was thinking about joining and talked to a fella yesterday about it.

    Any thoughts on the fraternity?

    Thanks,

    jm
     
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  2. Apologetic_Warrior

    Apologetic_Warrior Pilgrim

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    First I've heard of em. Interesting background info on Wikipedia.
     
  3. JM

    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    I had a meeting with an Orangeman and I thought it seemed pretty legit. They place emphasis on being Protestant and monarchists. I may join.
     
  4. drjean

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    Wondering if you did.
    That is a secret society and I personally believe Jesus would/does not approve of such.
     
  5. JackRT

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    They are, or at least used to be, murderously anti-Catholic.
     
  6. Heavenhome

    Heavenhome Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And visa versa, I am reading a book by Charles Chiniquy " Fifty years in the Church of Rome " which was written in the late 1800's. He was a priest in Canada who after leaving the Roman Catholic church, travelled to many countries including the UK,America and even two years in Australia, preaching the Gospel. When he visited Australia including Tasmania and NewZealand he was escorted by Orangeman who also protected him as wherever he went he was stoned, attacked with knives, and threatened by Romanists who would storm the churches and houses where he lodged crying "Kill him! kill him!
    I could not recommend this book highly enough, which has been reprinted because of its great value to the Christian world.
     
  7. JackRT

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    He has me beat. I was only 30 years in the Church of Rome.
     
  8. JM

    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    Any Freemasons on this forum? A lot of the old time Presbyterians were both Orangeman and Freemasons, my research has shown that many of them were ordained Churchman. Both of John MacArthur's grandfathers were in the Lodge and he credits their ministries to the godly heritage he has inherited from them.
     
  9. NIChristian

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    Hardly a secret society when they march publicly most weekends over the summer, hold numerous public church services and Gospel missions and wear bright orange sashes accompanied by accordion, flute and pipe bands.

    As for their meetings, well they have seen hundreds of members murdered by Irish Republicans so it makes sense that they might desire privacy.
     
  10. JM

    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    True. It's a society with secrets.
     
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  12. JM

    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    I wouldn't worry too much about what they post on PuritanBoard, it's a microcosm of Reformed theology and opinion.

    @hedrick Does the Church you attend allow Masons and Orangemen to become members?

    Yours in the Lord,

    jm
    (Yes, I'm the same JM that posts on PB)
     
  13. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Here's the most detailed information: http://oga.pcusa.org/media/uploads/oga/pdf/note07.pdf. In summary, we don't take a position on membership in organizations, though we'd expect people not to be associated with organizations whose purposes are inconsistent with ours. I don't think the Orange Order is common enough in the US for the question to have arisen, but the OGA says they do get questions about Masons. Note that masonic ceremonies should be kept separate from Church ceremonies.

    In the late 19th Cent the UPCNA prohibited Masons, but other predecessor denominations haven't, both in the 19th and 20th Cent.

    Having a list of prohibited organizations opens a whole can of worms. I'd put a higher priority on the Republican Party than the Masons for such a list. But I don't think that's something that the Church would benefit from.
     
  14. JackRT

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    ^^^ THIS!!! ^^^
     
  15. pilgrim1999

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    I'm well aware of what the PuritanBoard is. Considering that you've made several posts there in the past few days, I'm a little surprised to see your dismissive response.

    You asked for opinions and I linked to some, several of which weren't on the PB. Through the years I haven't seen a whole lot of information dealing with it from an evangelical standpoint. But perhaps I shouldn't bother next time.

    The reason I posted links to the PB (which included some differing opinions) was because the forum includes Christians from Ulster and the UK who have familiarity with the Orange Order. You don't have to take the Covenanter view of the Revolution settlement to have significant issues with it, as seen with the Baptist brother there.

    You've posted about the Orange Order and then posted about checking out the Tridentine Mass. One of these things is not like the other. Attendance at any mass, likely even a funeral, will get you kicked out of the Orange Order.
     
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  16. pilgrim1999

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    duplicate post--don't see a delete option.
     
  17. Redwingfan9

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    One word of advice: beware of the Dutch. They have a tendency to be very clanish and their theology is often lacking. Unfortunately many Dutch churches follow Heidelberg's 52 Sabbaths with weekly catechism sermons. In theory this is good, in practice they get nothing more than surface scratching theology. Unfortunately, most of them have no idea this is the case. I'm coming out of a Grand Rapids Dutch church, the stories I could tell you... I'll give you my favorite in that it's largely inconsequential though it's a good example of their clanishness. I and just about everyone I know who isn't Dutch has been asked when attending a Dutch church "what are you doing here?" The implication of course is that we're outsiders who don't belong. It usually devolves from there, especially over time.
     
  18. JM

    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    How does this relate to the Orange Order? Isn't this like saying, beware of the Scottish because they are all hardheaded drunkards who like to fight?

    (I'm Scottish, hardheaded and like to fight....and drink.)

    :rolleyes:
     
  19. HardHead

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    Why join the Orange Order? Is there something specific they offer that a church does not?
     
  20. Tolworth John

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    I've known several Christians from Northern Ireland and they were universally hostile to the orange order.
    It is 'nominally' christian and in N.I. a political and anti catholic organisation.

    Ask yourself, why do you need to join an organisation? What is it for? what does it do? Is membership more important than church membership?
     
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