Gnostics, Arians, Unitarians
All these were condemned by the Catholic Church and are outside the pale of orthodoxy.
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Gnostics, Arians, Unitarians
It isn't me - it is the Church with one voice.
When the church speaks with one voice - it is God.
You can be intellectualyl dishonest if you want, but it is silly.
Look, I can't prove Christianity is the true faith.
No one can.
But, what we can prove is that out side the creed, you are outside of the faith.
That is true be definition.
Take any religion with a creed - out side of it, you are outside of that religion.
So, you might be right, but you are not Christian - that is what Creeds do - show the limits of the faith.
You are confused.Gtsecc, according to CF the Nicene creed is the standard used to determine eligiblility to post in the Christians Only forums. However, those who do not affirm the creed in totality but still self identify as Christians are not considered non-Christians they are non-nicene creed Christians. So let's not start telling people who is and who is not Christian. Please?
You are confused.
I don't think you understand what a creed means.
I'm not saying they are not Christian because I am mean.
In fact, it has nothing to do with me.
If a group establishes a creed, they do it to establish the limits of the belief that are accepted.
That means: if you dont assent to the creed, you arent in the group.
How could this be any simpler?
NO - you stop.please stop.
Who said "hey that's mean"? And what would you like for me to stop?NO - you stop.
What is the point of the forums if we can't be honest?
What is the point of being Christian, if it means you can make up any belief you want, and then call it Christianity.
And, then if someone says, Wait a min, this is foolish and dishonest.
And, then you say, hey Thats mean?
I really do sympathize with your opinion, however I think Fish and Bread is already acknowleging the fact that this idea is outside of the realm of traditional Christianity anyway.2+2=5
Because it is mean not to let me believe that...