Oops ... birth certificate now legally documented as fraudulent

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There's still the problem of the paper announcing his birth.
Why do you see this as a problem? Since practically anyone could get a Hawaii certificate without being born in Hawaii, why is that a problem?

"FACT: A person born in a foreign country may actually have a Vital Record on file with the Hawaii Department of Health.

Sun Yat-Sen has a Hawaiian birth certificate as reported here by the Hawaii Free Press.
He was the first president and founding father of the Republic of China.

I have now found a government source document (p.438) that explicitly confirms this "evasion" and "fraud" was perpetrated on Immigration Officials in Hawaii. Even though the Hawaii Department of Health is trying to hide this inconvenient fact now, back at the time when Sun Yat-Sen was issued his; the Governor of the Territory of Hawaii indicated (as Dr. Onaka would say) the occurrence was not just a one-time anomaly but a TREND!

Upon further analysis, the significance of this report by the Governor of the Territory of Hawaii is apparent for several reasons:

  • 1. Serious vulnerabilities in immigration laws were being exploited.
  • 2. It highlights the cooperation between the Territory of Hawaii and federal government.
  • 3. Hawaii was expressing an expectancy of a concerted action, better known as enforcing the law; "to ferret out these frauds, and to have them severely punished when discovered."
In 2008, a proven liar with more than one government documented name/alias usurped the Office of the Presidency of the United States while claiming birth in Hawaii where rampant fraud is a KNOWN FACT yet spending millions of dollars to fight unfettered access to all of his records. Usurping the Office of the Presidency of the United States is a crime and a matter of national security. Anyone aiding and abetting in allowing this crime to take place and continue are also guilty of a crime. The Rule of Law must apply to everyone equally and no one is above the law.

Godspeed,
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/sheriff-joe-arpaio-press-conference/
 
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It still should be enough to get a judge's attention for a subpoena or to get a Special Prosecutor appointed for a full investigation. What Bammy puts out as legit is a fake.

There are too many "Mehs" going on today with Fast and Furious, taxpayer guaranteed green loans to Obama cronies, stimulus money
for billions of dollars designated to his donors and unions.



"Let this be a lesson to anyone that questions the Birth Certificate. The Usurper cannot be disrespected. It is racist to disagree with the Usurper, therefore you will suffer the wrath of Holder. Also do not ask to see information about Fast and Furious or you will see how Fast Holder gets Furious and sics his legal team on your behind."

Everyone should be used to that Commie play by now, they use it for everything. It has lost it's usefulness on me. But you say investigating and finding the truth about the proven liar is a distraction or a diversion. Romney's tax returns, are the distraction and diversions. What Americans should be interested in are the sealed records of the sitting Userper acting as POTUS.

Obama released his so-called birth certificate, the day before he begrudgingly authorized the attack on Bin Ladin's compound (after knowing where Osama Bin Ladin was for almost a year.)
That seems like Obama was looking for a distraction from his fake birth certificate to me. If he is illegal we need to sue the Democratic Party for peretrating the fraud. Especially Nancy Pelosi.

I'm not saying there's not dirty things going down, my friend, I just think that, unless you can explain the newspaper announcing his birth all those years ago, efforts are better spent on things we know are actual issues. I honestly think that, if anything, he applied for aid as a foreign student in college, thus why he keeps his records under lock and key. That's a felony, and seems far more likely than the born in Kenya stuff. Besides, if his mother is American, wouldn't he be a citizen anyways?
 
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I'm not saying there's not dirty things going down, my friend, I just think that, unless you can explain the newspaper announcing his birth all those years ago, efforts are better spent on things we know are actual issues. I honestly think that, if anything, he applied for aid as a foreign student in college, thus why he keeps his records under lock and key. That's a felony, and seems far more likely than the born in Kenya stuff. Besides, if his mother is American, wouldn't he be a citizen anyways?
It is a birth announcement. That is all. It does not say who was born. It does not say where the son was born. It is just an announcement that the newspapers would receive from the register in Hawaii. There are other investigations that those announcements were planted, but that isn't really my main issue at all, though it has doubts also. Just by registering a birth in Hawaii would have triggered the announcement if the boy was born in Hawaii or not. The announcement doesn't prove squat and yes, as many have thought that Barry used his foreign status in college. If he was born in Hawaii his mothers status would have made little Barry a citizen. Myself and others argue that if his father was Barrack Hussein Obama the foreign sojourner, that Barack Hussein II (note not Jr.) would have been born with divided loyalty and allegiance and not as eligiblle for natural born Citizen status as required by our Constitution. If he was actually the Kenyan-Born Obama as reported from his official Bio for over 16 years that was never once corrected or questioned by Obama, his relatives, or anyone, if he was born in Kenya or outside the USA his mother was not old enough to confer citizen status under the laws at the time due to her minor status.
 
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This is really, really fascinating stuff! I am hopeful that if Sherrif Joe is able to unmask the evil supervillian "Obamaman" that he will also build us a time machine and take us back 4 years so we can wipe out any of the last 4 years of horror under the reign of this socialist madman!

I want to go back to 2008, when things were really good in America. My house was sliding down the slope heading underwater, friends were losing jobs, houses were going abandoned, the U.S. auto industry was about to go belly up and countless banks were teetering on the edge of oblivion. Osama was still crawling around the planet. We were still engaged actively in Iraq.

It would be so comforting to go back to that. Maybe we could change the Constitution back and let W run the country a few more years. We still had some extra money we could dump down the Iraq-hole!

I long for our "salad days" before Chairman Obowmow was subjugating us to every foreign potentate and destroying what we hold most dear.

And when he enacted the "Kenyan Citizenship Requirement" for all Americans, that was one step too far! And when he changed our language to French that was another step too far.

And now, NOW, we've got some controls on the insurance agencies and (oh this almost makes me sick), many of our fellow americans can get access to healthcare they couldn't get before!

Oh where will this horror end?

It makes me want to emigrate to Kenya or someplace else!
 
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Herbie, give it up. He's a US citizen. If there was definitive proof otherwise, congressional republicans would have pushed for impeachment long ago, and the courts would be all over him. Birthers aren't doing anything but creating noise and discrediting consevative voices, making it harder for them to be heard when hey have real arguments about Obama and his policies and performance. You are literaly making it easier for him to mock qnd marginalize you, you are working towards him winning this election. Just stop, and move onto to something relevant.
 
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I'm not saying there's not dirty things going down, my friend, I just think that, unless you can explain the newspaper announcing his birth all those years ago, efforts are better spent on things we know are actual issues. I honestly think that, if anything, he applied for aid as a foreign student in college, thus why he keeps his records under lock and key. That's a felony, and seems far more likely than the born in Kenya stuff. Besides, if his mother is American, wouldn't he be a citizen anyways?
Might I suggest a slightly different focus: Look to God.
Micah 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
Written in 700 BC, it foretold the coming of a savior from Bethlehem.
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
The ending is already known.
6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
Truth waits for no man.
 
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Might I suggest a slightly different focus: Look to God.
Micah 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
Written in 700 BC, it foretold the coming of a savior from Bethlehem.
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
The ending is already known.
6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
Truth waits for no man.

Ah, but the Birthers find truth unsatisfying, and have sought to manufacture their own.
 
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I'm actually glad that the right wingers are still up in arms over this Tabloid issue.

It's political dynamite that will blow up right in their faces.

The indepenents are absolutely sick of this and they are sick of Arpaio. All the right wingers are doing is knocking the independents off the fence, one by one.
 
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Anyone still on the fence after witnessing 4 years of an obama administration really don't want to vote for him and are just waiting for a good reason to get off the fence. August and September should be interesting after the bain droning from team obama wears thin.
 
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This is really, really fascinating stuff! I am hopeful that if Sherrif Joe is able to unmask the evil supervillian "Obamaman" that he will also build us a time machine and take us back 4 years so we can wipe out any of the last 4 years of horror under the reign of this socialist madman!
That would be awesome, wouldn’t it? But alas, so far all Sheriff Joe and his cold case posse has unmasked is the lie from the Hussein administration that what they shoved in the face of the American public is actually a fraudulent crock and that a felony investigation from congress to get to the truth of the matter is necessary.
 
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Ah, but the Birthers find truth unsatisfying, and have sought to manufacture their own.
The proposed truth is unsatisfying when it is a lie and the only thing manufactured is the scam birth certificate that Obama says is his original from Hawaii.
 
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Herbie, give it up. He's a US citizen.
I’m not even sure of his being a mere citizen other than his beard marriage to Mochelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama where he may have acquired citizenship or previously naturalized as an American after becoming age of majority.
If there was definitive proof otherwise, congressional republicans would have pushed for impeachment long ago, and the courts would be all over him.
Well, obviously the courts have redefined who in this country has standing in order to challenge our elected officials being truthful and honest. Just as Roberts threw the bogus hook or crook healthcare legislation back to the congress. The courts have ruled that only the Democratic party has interest or standing to inquire or observe whether their nomination for President meets the Constitutional requirements or not. More bogus and criminal judicial action. As far as “our congressional republicans would have pushed for impeachment long ago“, you must remember that during the elections of 2008 it was called “racist” just to use Bammy’s middle name for crying out loud. His middle name “HUSSEIN” was off-limits until after the election when Chairman Obama magnanimously stated it was OK now for the mere peasants to acknowledge he had a middle name .

No, it is not a resume enhancer to set yourself up to be ridiculed and mocked by the Commie MSM and the ignorant public to bring up doubts or questions about the One. Besides, Harry Reid still runs the Senate and any action would go nowhere under the current regime unless or until the ignorant masses are informed and also, there are Republicans and Democrats alike who are complicit in ignoring the issue and all these Congress critters can claim inculpability thanks to the Congressional Research Report that is so full of holes that it could not stand in a fair and legitimate court.
Birthers aren't doing anything but creating noise and discrediting consevative voices, making it harder for them to be heard when hey have real arguments about Obama and his policies and performance.
Obama put out a manufactured and fraudulent document claiming it is from Hawaii and is his birth certificate. Obama is the one who had his Bio tell the world he was born in Kenya for over sixteen years. It is Obama and his minions that told the world that the British Act ruled Obama Sr. and his children. All you seem to want is everyone to forget those inconvenient facts. Like a slow brainwashing.
You are literaly making it easier for him to mock qnd marginalize you,
What else is new? You yourself mock and marginalize those who ask for the truth while Obama lies to you in your face with obvious fraud perpetrated against the American citizens and our Constitution.
you are working towards him winning this election. Just stop, and move onto to something relevant.
Oh, I think felony fraud from the highest political position in the USA and the world is relevant and it is YOU who is working towards re-electing this Obamination.
 
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I tend to believe this is a possibility, but am wondering about the legality.

I tend to believe this is utter nuthattery, but I also have questions about the legality. How does one get a birth certificate legally documented as fradulent?
 
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Oh, I think felony fraud from the highest political position in the USA and the world is relevant and it is YOU who is working towards re-electing this Obamination.

There was no fraud, his birth certificate has been shownand examined. Only fringe groups have questioned it, while plenty of powerful people deeply opposed to Obama and with great incentive to get rid of it have conceded its authenticity. It is completely delusional to think otherwise. You arent seeking truth, you are seeking a different reality you desperately want to be real, no matter how far fetched it is.
 
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I tend to believe this is utter nuthattery, but I also have questions about the legality. How does one get a birth certificate legally documented as fradulent?


It would have to be determined by a court to be fraudulent. It hasn't, so the title of the thread is not accurate at all.
And it won't be. It is just a conspiracy theory that won't see court time.

In the meantime, birtherism just makes the right wing look off.
 
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I tend to believe this is utter nuthattery, but I also have questions about the legality.
:thumbsup:

There's simply no reason for such questions to exist. Obama can easily dispense with them ... yet, it seems he doesn't want to. He didn't release even this latest "unofficial" copy of his birth certificate until Donald Trump raised the question on all the major networks, effectively forcing him to do so.
 
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It would have to be determined by a court to be fraudulent. It hasn't, so the title of the thread is not accurate at all.
And it won't be. It is just a conspiracy theory that won't see court time.

In the meantime, birtherism just makes the right wing look off.
Hi, FreeinChrist. :wave:

I'm certainly glad that I toned the title down from the AP stories then, LOL. Those stories flat-out called the birth certificate a "fraud", "phony", etc.

Ya gotta give Sheriff Joe his due on his legal proceedings though.
 
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I tend to believe this is utter nuthattery, but I also have questions about the legality. How does one get a birth certificate legally documented as fradulent?
It really has a lot to do with the political mess Arpaio is in. It's no coincidence that this comes as he is about to be charged with civil rights violations in AZ. Same thing happened back in May.

Arpaio is also under fire in Maricopa County for neglecting criminal cases in the county because of his national focus.
 
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