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Only 45% of Democrats feel impeachment should move forward

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by hislegacy, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    The country remains divided on impeachment. You might not be shocked that an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 76 percent of Republicans don’t believe there’s enough evidence to merit an inquiry. Surprisingly, though, only 45 percent of Democrats — and 40 percent of independents — believe Congress should move forward with it. And while 42 percent of Democrats want Trump removed from office now, only 20 percent of independents do. A closed-door impeachment process isn’t likely to give Democrats in Congress the public trust they’ll need to remove the president from office with wide support if that’s what they hope to do.

    From NBC no less

    it’s their own secrecy that is the issue

    The House of Representatives didn’t need to vote on articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon in 1974. After millions of Americans watched days and days of hearing proceedings on television, they knew exactly what they thought of the president they’d re-elected not even two years before — and Nixon knew they knew. That’s why he resignedAug. 9 that year before Congress ever held a floor vote.
     
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  2. rambot

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    How long ago was the 13th?

    In this political atmosphere This feels like ages ago.

    I honestly couldn't even say what has happenned in the last 8 days
     
  3. hislegacy

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  4. wing2000

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    [The article referenced is behind a paywall so I won't comment on the accuracy of your op title...note the poll was taken Oct 4-6 according to the banner that is visible on the page]

    Nixon impeachment inquiry took longer that some imagine:

    Oct. 20, 1973

    The day that becomes known as the “Saturday Night Massacre.” Attorney General Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus resign in the same night after refusing Nixon’s order to fire Cox. Robert Bork, the solicitor general who was acting as attorney general, then followed Nixon’s order and fired Cox. Nixon’s push to oust Cox, who was leading the independent investigation into the White House misconduct, sparked intense criticism across the political spectrum. Four weeks later, on Nov. 17, Nixon issued his memorable denial: “I’m not a crook.”

    May 9, 1974
    The House Judiciary Committee starts impeachment proceedings against Nixon.

    July 24, 1974
    In a unanimous ruling, the Supreme Court orders Nixon to release the tape recordings. The decision came two months after the White House gave the House Judiciary Committee edited transcripts of Nixon’s conversations, but did not turn over the actual tapes.

    July 27-30, 1974

    The House Judiciary Committee passes three articles of impeachment against Nixon, for obstruction of justice, misuse of power and contempt of Congress. By approving the charges, the committee sent the impeachment to the floor for a full House vote, but it never occurred.

    Aug. 8, 1974

    Nixon resigns. In his resignation speech, Nixon said: “I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as president, I must put the interest of America first.”

    The complete Watergate timeline (it took longer than you realize)
     
  5. GoldenBoy89

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    We all know how reliable polls are...
     
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  6. hislegacy

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    NBC is not behind a pay site. The link to the readily accessible article is in post #3.

    and it speaks of the complete transparency of the impeachment inquiry of Nixon.

    not anything like the secrecy today.
     
  7. Hank77

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    An impeachment process against Richard Nixon began in the United States House of Representatives on October 30, 1973, the "Saturday Night Massacre" episode of the Watergate scandal. The House Judiciary Committee set up an impeachment inquiry staff and began investigations into possible impeachable offenses by Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States.
    The House Judiciary Committee opened its formal impeachment hearings against the President on May 9, 1974. The first twenty minutes were televised on the major U.S. networks, after which the committee switched to closed sessions for the next two months.
    Altogether, there were seven days of public hearings: May 9, and July 24–27, 29–30.


    They investigated for 6 mths before there were any hearings and all their work was done behind closed doors. On May 9th only 20 mins. of the hearing was televised before they went back into closed door sessions.

    I'm not sure what the author of the article is talking about.
    Now there was plenty in the media about the DNC break-in and the trials of those involved. Nixon couldn't be indicted because he was a sitting president. But he most likely would have been if Ford hadn't pardoned him of all crimes the he committed or may have committed.

    Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia
     
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  9. TLK Valentine

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    What's interesting is that the polls are a week old and don't take Mulvaney's accidental confession into account...

    Furthermore, this is interesting:

    Noting that FoxNews itself is starting to turn on Donald, those numbers will rise... if they haven't already.

    Then, there's this:

    No surprise -- those who believe in the GOP and the principles for which they (allegedly) stand are more likely to support an inquiry than those who pledge loyalty to the man himself...

    ...and when was the last time we had to make that distinction?
     
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  10. RDKirk

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    A House vote to impeach is still a lose-lose proposition for the Democrats.

    If impeachement fails in the Senate, Trump cruises into the election looking like a boss.

    If the Senate removes him from office, then Democrats will face a far more electable Republican in the election.
     
  11. KCfromNC

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    If I were in the position where the most favorable poll showed "only" 40-something percent of voters want my guy to be impeached, I'm not sure I'd be starting threads about it.

    Luckily they're not doing this.
     
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  12. TLK Valentine

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    True... he'll ramp the Constitutional violations up to eleven on the (probably true) assumption that the Dems wouldn't dare try to impeach him twice...
    Agreed... What are the chances that the GOP has thought of that as well?
     
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  14. RDKirk

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    Kasich and Romney certainly have. Probably others as well.
     
  15. hislegacy

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  16. wing2000

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    Oh the irony.

    Republicans are outraged that the inquiry is taking depositions in closed sessions rather than public hearings. Biggs, accusing the Democrats of operating “Stalin-esque, Soviet-style” hearings, sent a letter signed by 76 other Republicans protesting “secrecy.” But Republicans didn’t find it “Stalin-esque” when they hauled 141 Clinton administration officials in for 568 hours of similar private depositions.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/21/republicans-have-killed-irony/
     
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  17. TheGuide

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    The number is now 51%.
     
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  18. Gene2memE

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    Meanwhile, an 18-22nd October Reuters/Ipsos poll shows:
    • 46% of Americans said they supported impeachment and 40% said they opposed it. The number supporting impeachment has grown 3% in the last week.
    • 45% of independents said they supported impeachment and 32% said they opposed it, the strongest level of support recorded in more than a year. Support for impeachment surged among independents. A little more than 1 in 3 independents had said they were in favor of impeachment in more than a dozen previous Reuters/Ipsos polls since June 2018.
    • Support for impeachment was relatively steady among Republicans and Democrats.
     
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  19. SarahsKnight

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    That's fine with me if said Republican is at least a responsible adult.
     
  20. KCfromNC

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    And more importantly, have they stopped beating their wives yet?

    In other words, leading questions you don't even know the answer to are not evidence of anything.

    I can't speak to if or when other people's random opinions have changed. Probably best to write and ask them if you think their guesses are better than anyone elses'.
     
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