One's salvation can be lost

[elman]

This one ^^^

Themselves, which is the problem with not loving.

 

[jasonsloss]

Themselves, which is the problem with not loving.

What are you talking about?

 

[SharonL]

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" 1 Cor. 3:10-15 (KJV).

 

[elman]

What are you talking about?

I was answering this question: What is the object of faith in unbelievers?

 

[Harry3142]

"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that was sown on rocky places is the one who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty, or thirty times what was sown." (The Gospel of St. Matthew 13:18-23,NIV)

Some denominations teach that with the exception of the man who didn't understand the gospel message (the path), everyone was initially saved. However, because some weren't well-grounded (rocky places), or were distracted by worries and the desire for personal wealth (among the thorns), they lost their salvation, whereas the person who was well-grounded (the good soil) retained his salvation.

But there are other denominations which teach that salvation itself wasn't achieved except for the man's receiving it who is described as 'the good soil'. Although the others received the offer, their own superficiality or willingness to be distracted created in them a roadblock that prevented them from fully accepting the salvation offered.

Since Jesus was using agrarian terminology, and his own lifestyle was evidence that he was familiar with the agrarian environment, in all likelihood he himself would not have recognized anyone as saved except for 'the good soil'. The manner in which they sowed their fields inevitably led to wasted seed (the path, the rocky places, and among the thorns), and those seeds they would recognize as never coming to fruition. They took this into account when they sowed their fields, and so deliberately used more seed than we would use today under more accurate conditions. Only the seed which fell on the good soil would take root and grow, because only with the good soil did that seed have the chance to grow. Likewise, only the man who is described as 'the good soil' would be recognized by Jesus as saved, because it was only with him that the gospel message actually took root.

 

[jasonsloss]

"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that was sown on rocky places is the one who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty, or thirty times what was sown." (The Gospel of St. Matthew 13:18-23,NIV)

Some denominations teach that with the exception of the man who didn't understand the gospel message (the path), everyone was initially saved. However, because some weren't well-grounded (rocky places), or were distracted by worries and the desire for personal wealth (among the thorns), they lost their salvation, whereas the person who was well-grounded (the good soil) retained his salvation.

But there are other denominations which teach that salvation itself wasn't achieved except for the man's receiving it who is described as 'the good soil'. Although the others received the offer, their own superficiality or willingness to be distracted created in them a roadblock that prevented them from fully accepting the salvation offered.

Since Jesus was using agrarian terminology, and his own lifestyle was evidence that he was familiar with the agrarian environment, in all likelihood he himself would not have recognized anyone as saved except for 'the good soil'. The manner in which they sowed their fields inevitably led to wasted seed (the path, the rocky places, and among the thorns), and those seeds they would recognize as never coming to fruition. They took this into account when they sowed their fields, and so deliberately used more seed than we would use today under more accurate conditions. Only the seed which fell on the good soil would take root and grow, because only with the good soil did that seed have the chance to grow. Likewise, only the man who is described as 'the good soil' would be recognized by Jesus as saved, because it was only with him that the gospel message actually took root.

excellent, amen...

 

[jasonsloss]

I was answering this question: What is the object of faith in unbelievers?

the object of faith in unbelievers is what can be seen at this very moment in time or otherwise known as temporal faith....

 

[elman]

the object of faith in unbelievers is what can be seen at this very moment in time or otherwise known as temporal faith....

What does that mean in English?

 

[jasonsloss]

What does that mean in English?

I just told you, what are you talking about...

 

[elman]

I just told you, what are you talking about...

I was not able to understand what you were saying.

 

[cygnusx1]

Do unbelievers have any faith at all?

Sure they do , even devils "believe" ....... Believing isn't enough !

 

[Hentenza]

"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that was sown on rocky places is the one who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty, or thirty times what was sown." (The Gospel of St. Matthew 13:18-23,NIV)

Some denominations teach that with the exception of the man who didn't understand the gospel message (the path), everyone was initially saved. However, because some weren't well-grounded (rocky places), or were distracted by worries and the desire for personal wealth (among the thorns), they lost their salvation, whereas the person who was well-grounded (the good soil) retained his salvation.

But there are other denominations which teach that salvation itself wasn't achieved except for the man's receiving it who is described as 'the good soil'. Although the others received the offer, their own superficiality or willingness to be distracted created in them a roadblock that prevented them from fully accepting the salvation offered.

Since Jesus was using agrarian terminology, and his own lifestyle was evidence that he was familiar with the agrarian environment, in all likelihood he himself would not have recognized anyone as saved except for 'the good soil'. The manner in which they sowed their fields inevitably led to wasted seed (the path, the rocky places, and among the thorns), and those seeds they would recognize as never coming to fruition. They took this into account when they sowed their fields, and so deliberately used more seed than we would use today under more accurate conditions. Only the seed which fell on the good soil would take root and grow, because only with the good soil did that seed have the chance to grow. Likewise, only the man who is described as 'the good soil' would be recognized by Jesus as saved, because it was only with him that the gospel message actually took root.

So you do accept that those that planted their seed in good soil are saved, right? Can those that planted their seed in good soil loose their salvation?

Second question, can saints loose their salvation?