One true Church?

[thecolorsblend]

I do not believe that relying on Gods word, Jesus' real flesh, is strange brew and man made. It is truth and life, the light of the world. We will agree to disagree. Believing in Gods son is #1. And we both agree on that. What we actually do (mercy, forgiveness, LOVE #1) is what determines our reward in heaven. Not what man made traditions you follow. IMHO. Peace.

Nice strawman you’ve got there. Be a real shame if somebody knocked it down.

“Relying on God’s word” is fine in its place. My objection is and was to strange brew, ahistorical, man-made doctrines like “sola scriptura”.

 

[concretecamper]

Please answer with scripture. Peace

Can you show me where scripture says it is the complete sum of all the Christian faith? Until you can, PLEASE stop using this argument?

As far as where is the Mass in scripture....did you ever hear of the Book of Revelations? The heavenly liturgy is very well described.

In addition, here is a quick read if the Spirit moves you to click on the link.
Catholic Bible 101

 

[Major1]

I know of a few churches that believe that their church is the one true church, and all others are either less than they are or are flat out going to hell.

First of all, I am Catholic. My church believes this. Other churches are "separated"

I think the main difference between Catholic Churches and Protestant churches is Communion.

Catholic churches believe that it is literally him, produced in the Catholic only process of transubstantiation. But at the last supper he held it up, before he was sacrificed, and said,"this is my body"

Protestant churches believe that it is a memorial meal only, and a symbol. But Jesus said about the bread "this is my body"

What if it is him, symbolically and literally, and both are right, and both are wrong? That would mean that you will be judged on how much you loved others and showed mercy, no mater what rituals you did or church you belonged to.

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For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

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Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

I do believe this. And I believe that the church with a small "c" catholic, is the universal church of all who believe in and love and follow Jesus. Peace

The main difference between the Catholic church and the Protestant church is really pretty simple.

The Protestant church at its core accepts the Bible as the Word of God and works to follow its directions.

The Catholic church on the other hand accepts "The Traditions of men and the direction of the Pope" as their authority and work to follow their directions.

When that is the case, the door is then opened for many none Biblical teachings.

Here are just a few of the teachings which are NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE...…...............

1. The Catholic church is the one true church
2. Infallibility of the Catholic Church
3. Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture
4. The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
6. Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
7. Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
8. Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
9. Grace can be merited"
10. The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others
11. Penance is necessary for salvation
12. Purgatory
13. Indulgences
14. Mary was sinless
15. Prayer to the saints
16. The Communion elements become the actual body and blood ofChrist.A list of false teachings in the Roman Catholic Church | CARM.org

There are at least that many which I did not post because ……...what would be the point????

There will be those who will immediately reject what I just posted.....However, if you just use your Bible you will see very quickly that they can not be found in that Bible.

 

[thecolorsblend]

However, if you just use your Bible you will see very quickly that they can not be found in that Bible.

Sure they can.

 

[concretecamper]

Here are just a few of the teachings which are NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE...…...............

1. The Catholic church is the one true church

True.

1. Infallibility of the Catholic Church

False

1. Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture

True

1. The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ

False

1. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation

True

1. Sacred Tradition equal to scripture

False

1. Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works

False

1. Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church

False

1. Grace can be merited"

False

1. The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others

True

1. Penance is necessary for salvation

False

1. Purgatory

True

1. Indulgences

Double dipping here

1. Mary (there are many false doctrines concerning Mary found in Roman Catholicism, here are a few)

?

1. Prayer to the saints

True

1. The Communion elements become the actual body and blood ofChrist.

True

I think this is a failing grade. The internet isnt always correct

 

[mikeangel]

The main difference between the Catholic church and the Protestant church is really pretty simple.

The Protestant church at its core accepts the Bible as the Word of God and works to follow its directions.

The Catholic church on the other hand accepts "The Traditions of men and the direction of the Pope" as their authority and work to follow their directions.

I agree with you on many of these things. I also have a few differences with alot of the Protestant views as well. They say they are following the Bible and using it only as a guide. (I am going to speak of Baptist and Church of Christ because Im married to a Baptist and grew up by a Church of Christ).

#1- During the service, the Lords prayer is never said, even though, when the disciples asked him how to pray, he said not to babble on with multiplications of words, but to say-"Our Father......". A direct instruction that is not followed IMHO

#2-The Masons are allowed by most of the Protestants. You state unity with an organization who has GAOTU (stands for great architect of the universe, which is compromised by every deity known to man, not just Jesus). The Bible clearly states Jesus alone is the way.

#3. Like in post above I stated, Jesus said "this is my body". I do not agree with the way Catholics think it is produced, but I do think it is him. because he said it was. Not a symbol. He did not say,"this represents my body ", or "this is a symbol of my body". He said it was his body.

Satan has done a good job splitting believers up. But my point still is, that every believer of Christ that repents of their sin and loves others as much as they can, is the true church. Peace to all

 

[Major1]

I think this is a failing grade. The internet isnt always correct

This is an excellent well thought out response and I agree completely. That is why I read and base my opinions in the Written Word of God instead of men and or churches.

As a Catholic believer there is actually nothing else you could say is there??

 

[Major1]

I agree with you on many of these things. I also have a few differences with alot of the Protestant views as well. They say they are following the Bible and using it only as a guide. (I am going to speak of Baptist and Church of Christ because Im married to a Baptist and grew up by a Church of Christ).

#1- During the service, the Lords prayer is never said, even though, when the disciples asked him how to pray, he said not to babble on with multiplications of words, but to say-"Our Father......". A direct instruction that is not followed IMHO

#2-The Masons are allowed by most of the Protestants. You state unity with an organization who has GAOTU (stands for great architect of the universe, which is compromised by every deity known to man, not just Jesus). The Bible clearly states Jesus alone is the way.

#3. Like in post above I stated, Jesus said "this is my body". I do not agree with the way Catholics think it is produced, but I do think it is him. because he said it was. Not a symbol. He did not say,"this represents my body ", or "this is a symbol of my body". He said it was his body.

Satan has done a good job splitting believers up. But my point still is, that every believer of Christ that repents of their sin and loves others as much as they can, is the true church. Peace to all

I understand, however, I must tell you that what you are posting is actually what you have misunderstood.

PLEASE, do not think that I am being disrespectful to you as I am not looing to argue with you.

#1.
The "Lords Prayer" was never a command to follow. It was NOT an instruction of what we must say but instead was an example of how we should pray. It was a MODEL!!!Every prayer should........
1. Recognize who God is.
2. Ask for His will for the earth.
3. Ask for His provision in our lives.
4. Seek forgiveness.
5. Seek protection.
6. Seek continued obedience.

We praise God for who He is, submit to Him, and make requests based on our knowledge of Him.

IF....IF we say and repeat the actual and literal words of the Lords prayer then we would be doing exactly what Scriptures tell us not to in Matthew 6:7......
"And in praying do not heap up “vain repetitions” as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words."

#2.
Mason's are involved in EVERY denomination on the earth. They take an oath to …...
"Forever conceal and never reveal my identity to any man or organization".

It is no more applied to a Baptist church than it is a Catholic church as the church itself does not know who is and who is not.

[STAFF EDITED]

When we read the scriptures we can we that they refer to the elements as the body and blood, but we also see Jesus clearly stating that the words He was speaking were spiritual words when talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood in John 6:63--

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life,".

Then as to your comment of the True church......I agree 100%.

The ONE TRUE church is made up of BORN AGAIN believers of the Lord Jesus Christ as He is the only door to heaven.

John 14:6...…….
"I am the way the truth and the life and NO ONE come to the Father except by me".

 

[Major1]

I agree with you on many of these things. I also have a few differences with alot of the Protestant views as well. They say they are following the Bible and using it only as a guide. (I am going to speak of Baptist and Church of Christ because Im married to a Baptist and grew up by a Church of Christ).

#1- During the service, the Lords prayer is never said, even though, when the disciples asked him how to pray, he said not to babble on with multiplications of words, but to say-"Our Father......". A direct instruction that is not followed IMHO

#2-The Masons are allowed by most of the Protestants. You state unity with an organization who has GAOTU (stands for great architect of the universe, which is compromised by every deity known to man, not just Jesus). The Bible clearly states Jesus alone is the way.

#3. Like in post above I stated, Jesus said "this is my body". I do not agree with the way Catholics think it is produced, but I do think it is him. because he said it was. Not a symbol. He did not say,"this represents my body ", or "this is a symbol of my body". He said it was his body.

Satan has done a good job splitting believers up. But my point still is, that every believer of Christ that repents of their sin and loves others as much as they can, is the true church. Peace to all

ooops. Double post.

 

[Charlie24]

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Major1]

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The problem with knowing what or who the one true church of God is, is that not all people who call themselves Christians are really Christians. The Lord Jesus Himself revealed that on the Day of Judgment, many will claim they lived their lives for Christ but will be exposed as "Christians" in name only:

Matthew 7:22-23...……....
" On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, I never you, depart from me ye workers of iniquity".

 

[Gwendolynz]

I know of a few churches that believe that their church is the one true church, and all others are either less than they are or are flat out going to hell.

First of all, I am Catholic. My church believes this. Other churches are "separated"

I think the main difference between Catholic Churches and Protestant churches is Communion.

Catholic churches believe that it is literally him, produced in the Catholic only process of transubstantiation. But at the last supper he held it up, before he was sacrificed, and said,"this is my body"

Protestant churches believe that it is a memorial meal only, and a symbol. But Jesus said about the bread "this is my body"

What if it is him, symbolically and literally, and both are right, and both are wrong? That would mean that you will be judged on how much you loved others and showed mercy, no mater what rituals you did or church you belonged to.

New International Version
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

New International Version
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

I do believe this. And I believe that the church with a small "c" catholic, is the universal church of all who believe in and love and follow Jesus. Peace

I'm pretty no nonsense as a believer. At the church I attend there is lots of ritualism, and liturgy that seem a bit over the top to me. I attend to receive the Sacrament, and to worship God. I already did the contriteness and repentance before I walked in the door. In my worship I strive to leave there walking more devoutly beside my God. Others have the freedom to worship God in the way they think right.

 

[mikeangel]

Actually, there is NO Bible verification that we are to eat the literal body of Christ.

John 6:53

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Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

 

[mikeangel]

I believe Jesus was the big bang. All things came to be through him. Without him nothing was made. He is all in all. Communion is both literal and symbolicly him IMHO. Peace

 

[Major1]

I believe Jesus was the big bang. All things came to be through him. Without him nothing was made. He is all in all. Communion is both literal and symbolicly him IMHO. Peace

Communion can not be literally consuming the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

Acts 21:25......…...
"abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."

Can you explain how the thief on the cross did not eat Jesus' body or drink His blood, BUT Jesus said that he would go to heaven that very day. Did Jesus lie when He told him that He would be with Him in heaven that very day?????

THINK this through my friend.

 

[Major1]

Can you show me where scripture says it is the complete sum of all the Christian faith? Until you can, PLEASE stop using this argument?

As far as where is the Mass in scripture....did you ever hear of the Book of Revelations? The heavenly liturgy is very well described.

In addition, here is a quick read if the Spirit moves you to click on the link.
Catholic Bible 101

I realize that this is a waste of time for me to post this for YOU however there may be some other people who will read what YOU asked for and accept the truth of God's Word.

The Catholic Church's argument implies that its tradition is superior to Scripture which is exactly what you personally use as a fall back argument.

So then, when Sacred Tradition is claimed to be the thing by which Scripture is given, then tradition is inadvertently the thing that gives blessing and approval to the Bible.

But to that way of thinking the Bible says in Hebrews 7:7 says...…
"But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater."

The unfortunate psychological effect of saying that Roman Catholic tradition is what gave us the Bible is that it elevates their tradition to a level far greater than what is permitted in Scripture. In fact, it is contradicted by scripture in 1 Corth. 4:6...…..

"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other."

It is clear to those who want to know the truth that The Bible tells us to obey the Word of God - to not go beyond the written Word in 1 Corth 4:6.

Unfortunately, the problem with an elevated status of Roman Catholic church tradition is that it results in various justifications of its non-biblical teachings such as prayer to Mary, purgatory, indulgences, penance, works of righteousness, etc.

Because the RCC has deviated from trusting God's Word alone, it has ventured into unscriptural areas.(Did the Roman Catholic church give us our Bible? | CARM.org).

Then In Fact....there is NO book in the Bible called "Book of RevelationS".

There is a book called "The Revelation of Jesus Christ".

 

[Gwendolynz]

I reject all this argument and unkindness. Good grief it is the day after Christmas people. I think that it was a mistake to come here.

 

[Albion]

The unfortunate psychological effect of saying that Roman Catholic tradition is what gave us the Bible is that it elevates their tradition to a level far greater than what is permitted in Scripture. In fact, it is contradicted by scripture in 1 Corth. 4:6...…..

More than that, the fact is that it's an appeal to patently incorrect history to make such a claim.

Whatever the councils of the early church did, it wasn't the Catholic Church doing it. Not by itself.

Aside from the Gnostics, Arians, and similar heretics, what is being referred to with this claim is the history of the "Undivided Church" from which came the Roman Church, but also the Eastern Orthodox churches, the Oriental Orthodox churches (as they are now called), and others.

 

[thecolorsblend]

The Catholic Church's argument implies that its tradition is superior to Scripture

She really doesn't. But don't let that mess you up, I guess.

 

[concretecamper]

More than that, the fact is that it's an appeal to patently incorrect history to make such a claim.

Whatever the councils of the early church did, it wasn't the Catholic Church doing it. Not by itself.

Aside from the Gnostics, Arians, and similar heretics, what is being referred to with this claim is the history of the "Undivided Church" from which came the Roman Church, but also the Eastern Orthodox churches, the Oriental Orthodox churches (as they are now called), and others.

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I reject all this argument and unkindness. Good grief it is the day after Christmas people. I think that it was a mistake to come here.