One Saint that refutes the filioque?

[dóxatotheó]

Gregory Thaumaturgus declaration of Faith seems to follow Orthodox view dont you think thoughts?

There is one God, the Father of the living Word, who is His subsistent Wisdom and Power and Eternal Image:2 perfect Begetter of the perfect Begotten, Father of the only-begotten Son. There is one Lord, Only of the Only,3 God of God, Image and Likeness of Deity, Efficient Word,4 Wisdom comprehensive5 of the constitution of all things, and Power formative6 of the whole creation, true Son of true Father, Invisible of Invisible, and Incorruptible of Incorruptible, and Immortal of Immortal and Eternal of Eternal.7 And there is One Holy Spirit, having His subsistence8 from God, and being made manifest9 by the Son, to wit to men:10 Image11 of the Son, Perfect Image of the Perfect;12 Life, the Cause of the living; Holy Fount; Sanctity, the Supplier, or Leader,13 of Sanctification; in whom is manifested God the Father, who is above all and in all, and God the Son, who is through all. There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged.14 Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude15 in the Trinity;16 nor anything superinduced,17 as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son;18 but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abideth ever.19

 

[ArmyMatt]

St Photios refutes it the best. plus Rome never had a consistent stance on it.

 

[tz620q]

Gregory Thaumaturgus declaration of Faith seems to follow Orthodox view dont you think thoughts?

It seems that the position of Gregory Thaumaturgus specifically splits the Holy Spirit into having His subsistence (by this I would assume he includes essence as well as life force, not in a biological way but in a supernatural way) from God the Father and his manifestation from God the Son. Yet later he modifies that position by saying, "neither divided nor estranged.14 Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude", which seems a more orthodox belief in the unity of the trinity. So we can see the complexity of trying to define this relationship between the trinity in a functional way where God the Father is the source of the essence and continued existence of the Holy Spirit, while God the Son is the means of manifestation as though the Holy Spirit is only manifested through the Son. Does this really fit the Orthodox understanding of the Trinity?

 

[ArmyMatt]

It seems that the position of Gregory Thaumaturgus specifically splits the Holy Spirit into having His subsistence (by this I would assume he includes essence as well as life force, not in a biological way but in a supernatural way) from God the Father and his manifestation from God the Son. Yet later he modifies that position by saying, "neither divided nor estranged.14 Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude", which seems a more orthodox belief in the unity of the trinity. So we can see the complexity of trying to define this relationship between the trinity in a functional way where God the Father is the source of the essence and continued existence of the Holy Spirit, while God the Son is the means of manifestation as though the Holy Spirit is only manifested through the Son. Does this really fit the Orthodox understanding of the Trinity?

no, because the essence is one. the Spirit’s subsistence is His Person.