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Would you mind translating this into plain English?
Oh, ok
Your wrong!
If what you are claiming applies to you, then so does everything else which was written, beginning from verse 1
Saturday is observed as a day of rest throughout all Denomination except yours, people work for 5 days and cease from work on the 6th day, then on the 7th day they go to Church to Worship God.
While your observance of the 6th day is not only a day of rest, but a combination of Worship as well, this ought not be to so, we are only told to rest, not Worship on that day.
Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
Isa 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
Isa 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
Isa 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
Isa 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isa 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
What about this passage is it that bothers you?
We are discussing the Sabbath, right?
Then why did you neglect to include the last two verses?
Isa 58:13,14
13) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14) Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
As far as the verses are concerned nothing about them bothers me.
These are the verses you are claiming apply to you, I asked if all of the other verses applied to you as well.
Do they?
Have you built the old waste places, and raised up the foundations of many generations, are you a repairer of the breach, the restorer of paths to dwell in?
Do you personally ride on the high places of the earth, are you fed with the heritage of Jacob?
Sure..but over all its a sect.There are several 7th day Sabbath churches. Post #26 above.
Therefore my question stands.
You can't cherry pick 1 verse out of the whole Chapter.
If this one verse applies to you, then all of them must as well, or none of them do.
The Chapter is people and time specific.
Is the reason that the church meets once a week simply to meet once a week? That is, simply to continue in fellowship? Is there any biblical command for this?
Doesnt this scripture indicate that the church met daily?Passages like Acts of the Apostles 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 indicate that the early church also met on Sundays.
Sabbath is not a day for worship in the traditional sense it is a day for rest. so regardless if you continue to keep the sabbath the values behind it still and will always be about resting. I know "resting" itself can be a form of worship but corporate worship is what we are talking about not personal contemplative worship. I'm not sure why you would try and force corporate worship on the sabbath when doing so may actually be counterproductive to its focus of rest especially when it is so easily and widely accepted on Sunday. Do you dishonor the Sabbath by engaging in corporate worship on Sunday? Do you dishonor it by not engaging in corporate worship during the Sabbath? I can't see why those would possibly do that.I've been told the sabbath is optional, and just a day of rest from work. I took his word by faith. Then I hear different perspectives I can't figure out which one is true. The Bible doesn't seem to support Sabbath-keeping in the new covenant from when I read.
Where can I find an undeniable fact that it's either optional or that we are meant to still keep it? I am still confused on this controversy, and on top of that even if the 7th day is the day of worship there are literally no churches around me that even worship on the 7th day. And if its not even a big deal, I have no problem worshipping on Sunday.
I agree the Pharisees had the wrong idea about the sabbath.I keep the Sabbath for the following reasons:
During this time, the Pharisee gave wrong idea of the Sabbath. When Jesus heals, they accused Him of breaking the sabbath. Then he rebukes them and say it is okay to do good on Sabbath.
- Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Is the Son of man (Jesus) only Lord of or on the sabbath?In the verse before, Jesus does not say "there is no more sabbath". He just corrects the view of sabbath. However, in this verse, he added that the Son of man is Lord of Sabbath. So, Jesus is the lord of Sabbath.
- Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Attending religious activities isn't proof of keeping a day holy.Look's like Paul keep the sabbath.
- Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Isn't a synagogue place of worship? They kept the sabbath.
- Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
"he" in this verse is Paul(refer to verse 1). Well, Paul kept the sabbath. Together with the Jews and Greeks. That is a clear evidence that non-Jews kept the sabbath as well.
- Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Personally I think you fail to read what Isa 66:23 actually says. The verse only co-notes continuous activity and nothing more.When we are in heaven, we will be celebrating Sabbath as well. Can you imagine the choir of angels? That's amazing!
- Isaiah 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
There are real problems here, since no one keeps the 4th commandment as it's written in Exodus 20.We really need to think that if God change the Sabbath, the 10 commandments would not be valid anymore based on the text. Or else James is delusional, thinking that the Christian back then still obeying the 10 commandments.
- James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Who is the "them" in your verse?When we keep the Sabbath, that is the sign between God and men and god has sanctify them. Wait. Hang on. Seems like the word sanctify was used to describe the sabbath before? Guess where?
- Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
I don't believe you understand the above verse.Yep God sanctify the Day for us. Just as he work 6 days and rest the 7th, we should either.
- Gen 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Can you kindly tell us what a servant is?
- Exo 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
You keep saying "we." Who is this "we?"When God give the 4th commandments, He start by saying remember. That means the sabbath was kept throughout generation. And we can see that this verse actually the reason why God sanctify the 7th day. He is basically saying, just as I created the world in 6 days, we should work for 6 days and stop on the 7th days.
How do we help others on the sabbath without working? Can you provide some examples?We know from the verse below that Christ created the earth:
Jesus is the same person in the Mark 2:28. Jesus himself is consistent in what he spoke. We should be consistent following Christ either.
- Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
I understand that Maybe you don't have a Sabbath keeping church around your area. Worry not. That shouldn't stop anyone from keeping the Sabbath. Pray for guidance. Let's see how God works. Meanwhile, you can do these:
- Exodus 20:8 = We should stop working on Sabbath. Just spend time at home with family and friends.
- Exodus 20:8 = Spend time with God. If you spend 2 hour everyday. On the sabbath day, you have the whole day. You can watch lectures on Youtube of any bible topics.
- Matthew 12:12,13 = Jesus spend time healing. Maybe we can spend time helping people as well. Again, if we spend time helping people for 2 hours during weekdays, we have the whole day to helps others.
Aren't you saying all those who have had the law made known to them are obligated to the law? Wait, but you seem to say pagans aren't obligated to the law. Does that mean only "Christians" are obligated to the law? You did mention Romans in your post. Have you by chance read 7:6 yet?If our world, is clouded with fog, for 100 year, no phone to look at the time, no calendar to track time. Nothing we can do to track time. (i don't know how are we going to live in situation like that), I'm very sure those who does not keep the Sabbath because of this bizarre climate will not be judged of the Sabbath.
Basically saying, those who sinned without the law(in this case, we can't the observe the day).shall perish without the law. I will say the Amazon tribe that are still holding unto their Pagan belief will not be judged based on the law. You know during the dark ages, some of them run to the wood because of the persecution. If anyone of them does not keep the Sabbath because they lost track of time, I'm still sure they are still the martyrs that spark the reformation of Christian church today and they will be resurrected when Jesus comes.
- Rom 2:12-14 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Only those who have the word, but refuse to keep it will reject the blessing from God. Thanks.
Ah, Charles Clever (author of your link) has all the marks of an SDA evangelist. So I wonder about the influence on Maniilaq. You do seem to be presenting this as some unrelated outside source for proof of your position.There are 7th day Baptists, the Church of God, several others. When the Pitcairn Islanders were discovered (yes, the mutiny on the Bounty survivors) they only had the bible to go by---they were clothed, not eating pork, and keeping the 7th day Sabbath. Long before any white man showed up in Alaska, there was Maniilaq, telling his people about the 7th day Maniilaq, the Eskimo Prophet --there were some in South America and Africa.
It's very interesting what is accepted and what is rejected when it comes to support of the sabbath. The claim of the RCC is a false claim as secular (non Scriptural) will easily reveal.The question can be put to rest very easily---all anyone has to do is name the verse that states---the Sabbath is now the 1 day of the week. Isn't there.
Every single verse that people use to defend the 1st day of the week has been shown to have nothing to do with keeping Sunday as a day of worship, even the Catholic church admits that, they changed it by their own supposed power, not by the bible.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).
This quote doesn't support your imported idea.It was written by Jesus Christ Himself, on stone (twice, Moses broke the 1st one) and kept in the Ark, the Levitical laws, written by the hand f Moses was written on scrolls, and kept outside the Ark.
It was not given to Jews but to man, it was made for man --at creation as a sign of the creative power of God, to deny the Sabbath is to deny Him as the creator of all.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Man doesn't have to, because God did.What God has instituted, no man has the power to change. Jesus instituted it, He alone can change it and never did.
Catholic Church Changed Sabbath To Sunday Statements
I've been told the sabbath is optional, and just a day of rest from work. I took his word by faith. Then I hear different perspectives I can't figure out which one is true. The Bible doesn't seem to support Sabbath-keeping in the new covenant from when I read.
Where can I find an undeniable fact that it's either optional or that we are meant to still keep it? I am still confused on this controversy, and on top of that even if the 7th day is the day of worship there are literally no churches around me that even worship on the 7th day. And if its not even a big deal, I have no problem worshipping on Sunday.
Ah, Charles Clever (author of your link) has all the marks of an SDA evangelist. So I wonder about the influence on Maniilaq. You do seem to be presenting this as some unrelated outside source for proof of your position.
Ah, Charles Clever (author of your link) has all the marks of an SDA evangelist. So I wonder about the influence on Maniilaq. You do seem to be presenting this as some unrelated outside source for proof of your position.It's very interesting what is accepted and what is rejected when it comes to support of the sabbath. The claim of the RCC is a false claim as secular (non Scriptural) will easily reveal.This quote doesn't support your imported idea.Man doesn't have to, because God did.
Man doesn't have to, because God did.
It's very interesting what is accepted and what is rejected when it comes to support of the sabbath. The claim of the RCC is a false claim as secular (non Scriptural) will easily reveal.
1. Is a Sabbath a Saturday or is Saturday a Sabbath with other days also Sabbaths like: Passover and the day of Atonement and every day in the year of Jubilee?
1. The scriptures clearly state that we are not under the law. Consider passages such as Acts of the Apostles 15, Colossians 2:14, and Romans 6:14.
2. The writings of the ECF confirm that the Sabbath was abolished and that worship should be on Sunday: Sabbath or Sunday? | Catholic Answers
3. The writings of Paul seem to confirm that the Sabbath has been abolished: Colossians 2:16 and Romans 14:5.
4. The book of Hebrews seems to describe a new rest that we have entered in Christ: Hebrews 4:1-11.
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