LDS One of the biggest Mormon lies

[Christian Apologist]

Believe | ComeUntoChrist.org

Do Mormons believe in the trinity?

The Holy Trinity is the term many Christian religions use to describe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Latter-day Saints believe very strongly in all three, but we don’t believe they’re all the same person. We do think they are one in purpose. Their purpose is to help us achieve true joy, in this life and the life to come (which we also believe in).

The Trinity never teaches there the same person yet on the Mormon official website today they infer that on link above . On the link below you can see that it is being taught from the on set of Mormonism

The Truth about Mormonism: One of the Biggest lies Mormon leaders teach

 

[Rescued One]

Joseph Smith taught:

“Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God anyhow—three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization anyhow. All are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God—he would be a giant or a monster.”
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372; History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476

"This view of God as an incorporeal, immaterial, bodiless, partless, passionless being is now and has been from the days of the great apostasy from God and Christ, in the second and third centuries, the doctrine of Deity generally accepted by apostate Christendom. The simple doctrine of the Christian Godhead, set forth in the New Testament is corrupted by the meaningless jargon of these creeds, and their explanations; and the learned who profess a belief in them are wandering in the darkness of the mysticisms of the old pagan philosophies...

"Recurrence to the New Testament doctrine of God, and a comparison of it with the New Testament Doctrine of Deity set forth in the Nicean and Athanasian creeds will exhibit the wide departure---the absolute apostasy---that as taken place in respect of this most fundamental of all doctrines of religion---the doctrine of God. Truly Christians have denied the Lord that bought them and turned literally to fables. They have enthroned a conception of a negative idea of 'being,' which can stand in no possible relationship to man, nor man to it; and to this they ascribe divine attributions and give it title, knee and adoration which belong to God alone. Small wonder that the angel whom John saw flying in the midst of heaven having the everlasting Gospel to commit to the earth, saying 'Fear God and give glory to Him; * * * and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountain of waters' *---small wonder, I repeat, that such should be part of this great message, for truly the whole world had departed from the worship of the true and living God."
History of the Church, 1:LXXXVI

The Mormon "Heaventy Father" who is the supreme member of their godhead:

2 Our Father Advanced and
Progressed Until He Became God

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).


President Joseph F. Smith taught: “I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions.... Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 2).

President Wilford Woodruff explained: “[God] has had his endowments a great many years ago. He has ascended to his thrones, principalities and powers in the eternities. We are his children.....We are here to fill a probation and receive an education” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Sept. 1881, p. 546).

How does it help us to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours? President Brigham Young explained:

“He is our Father—the Father of our Spirits—and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are....

“...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through....

“It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has been a finite being” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, p. 290).
Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 152-153

Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10
And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

 

[Ironhold]

Believe | ComeUntoChrist.org

Do Mormons believe in the trinity?

I take it that you've never heard anyone try to argue three-in-one?

 

[Christian Apologist]

Joseph Smith taught:

“Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God anyhow—three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization anyhow. All are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God—he would be a giant or a monster.”
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372; History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476

"This view of God as an incorporeal, immaterial, bodiless, partless, passionless being is now and has been from the days of the great apostasy from God and Christ, in the second and third centuries, the doctrine of Deity generally accepted by apostate Christendom. The simple doctrine of the Christian Godhead, set forth in the New Testament is corrupted by the meaningless jargon of these creeds, and their explanations; and the learned who profess a belief in them are wandering in the darkness of the mysticisms of the old pagan philosophies...

"Recurrence to the New Testament doctrine of God, and a comparison of it with the New Testament Doctrine of Deity set forth in the Nicean and Athanasian creeds will exhibit the wide departure---the absolute apostasy---that as taken place in respect of this most fundamental of all doctrines of religion---the doctrine of God. Truly Christians have denied the Lord that bought them and turned literally to fables. They have enthroned a conception of a negative idea of 'being,' which can stand in no possible relationship to man, nor man to it; and to this they ascribe divine attributions and give it title, knee and adoration which belong to God alone. Small wonder that the angel whom John saw flying in the midst of heaven having the everlasting Gospel to commit to the earth, saying 'Fear God and give glory to Him; * * * and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountain of waters' *---small wonder, I repeat, that such should be part of this great message, for truly the whole world had departed from the worship of the true and living God."
History of the Church, 1:LXXXVI

The Mormon "Heaventy Father" who is the supreme member of their godhead:

2 Our Father Advanced and
Progressed Until He Became God

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).


President Joseph F. Smith taught: “I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions.... Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 2).

President Wilford Woodruff explained: “[God] has had his endowments a great many years ago. He has ascended to his thrones, principalities and powers in the eternities. We are his children.....We are here to fill a probation and receive an education” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Sept. 1881, p. 546).

How does it help us to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours? President Brigham Young explained:

“He is our Father—the Father of our Spirits—and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are....

“...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through....

“It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has been a finite being” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, p. 290).
Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 152-153

Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10
And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

What's interesting no 4th or 5th century Creed teaches God had not body parts or passions

 

[Christian Apologist]

I take it that you've never heard anyone try to argue three-in-one?

Three in One is the core teaching found in The Book of Mormon ​

Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W. Penrose
Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is, There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:
General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.

 

[Christian Apologist]

Mormons like to tell low information Christians that Substance and Essence used in the Creeds mean we teach The Father and Son are the same person yet can't produce one Creed or council that teaches that. It is always the opposite, three separate and distinct persons represent the ONE GOD

 

[Ironhold]

Athanasian Creed - Wikipedia

Ever hear of the Athanasian Creed?


Whosoever shall be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the universal faith. Which faith unless he does keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish eternally. And the universal faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confusing the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one; the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Spirit unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Spirit Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Spirit Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For as we are compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord; So also are we forbidden by the universal religion to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him in this way think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to eternal salvation; that he also believe faithfully in the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a rational soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, concerning his Godhead; and inferior to the Father, concerning his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by Unity of Person. For as the rational soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again on the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sits on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from where he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall enter life eternal; and they that have done evil, into eternal fire. This is the universal faith; which unless a man believes truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

As you can see, the entire first half is the author struggling to explain how we can have three divine figures but only one "God", three people that someone only count as one.

This is what we're talking about.

 

[Christian Apologist]

Athanasian Creed - Wikipedia

Ever hear of the Athanasian Creed?


Whosoever shall be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the universal faith. Which faith unless he does keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish eternally. And the universal faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confusing the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one; the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Spirit unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Spirit Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Spirit Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For as we are compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord; So also are we forbidden by the universal religion to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him in this way think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to eternal salvation; that he also believe faithfully in the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a rational soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, concerning his Godhead; and inferior to the Father, concerning his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by Unity of Person. For as the rational soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again on the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sits on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from where he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall enter life eternal; and they that have done evil, into eternal fire. This is the universal faith; which unless a man believes truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

As you can see, the entire first half is the author struggling to explain how we can have three divine figures but only one "God", three people that someone only count as one.

This is what we're talking about.

Notice no where does it teach The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same person, This Creed agrees completely with the Bible and Book of Mormon. Notice how it says there separate and distinct persons

 

[Ironhold]

Notice no where does it teach The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same person, This Creed agrees completely with the Bible and Book of Mormon. Notice how it says there separate and distinct persons

...who are still one person none-the-less.

 

[Christian Apologist]

...who are still one person none-the-less.

Do you know that teaching is considered a heresy to Traditional Christians

Modalism and Monarchism teaches one person below link

Heresies | CARM.org

 

[Christian Apologist]

Do you know that teaching is considered a heresy to Traditional Christians

Modalism and Monarchism teaches one person below link

Heresies | CARM.org

Notice that Joseph Smith did teach that doctrine in his early career

Luke 10:

23 All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it. JST



Mosiah 15

3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

Mosiah 16:

15 Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen.

Alma 11:38 Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?

Ether 3:14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.

 

[Ironhold]

Do you know that teaching is considered a heresy to Traditional Christians

Modalism and Monarchism teaches one person below link

Heresies | CARM.org

If it's heresy, then why is the Athanasian Creed one of the mainline Christian creeds?

 

[Peter1000]

Notice that Joseph Smith did teach that doctrine in his early career

Luke 10:

23 All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it. JST



Mosiah 15

3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

Mosiah 16:

15 Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen.

Alma 11:38 Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?

Ether 3:14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.

Your use of persons is deceiving again.

You say that there are 3 separate and distinct Persons in 1 God, or there is 1 God in 3 separate and distinct Persons in the Trinity.

Most Trinitarians will say, 3 distinct Persons, but not 3 separate and distinct Persons. If the 3 were separate, how can they be consubstantial or homoousio?

JS taught that the 3 members of the Godhead are separate and distinct Persons and that they are 1 God.

Other of his writings declare that their oneness is in their unity and purpose, not in their physical make up. That is why he could say that they would be a big God if their are 3 Persons in the same 1 God.

The scriptures tell us conflicting ideas about the Godhead. Some scriptures would have you believe in the Trinity doctrine. Some scriptures would have you believe in a Tritheistic Godhead doctrine.

So no big lie by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[Rescued One]

Mormonism has made a lot of erroneous statements about their multiple gods.

"Where was there ever a father without first being a son?"
Joseph Smith

"If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

"I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c."
Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, Chapter XXIII, p. 476-477

No matter to what heights God has attained or may attain, he does not stand alone: for side by side with him, in all her glory, a glory like unto his, stands a companion, the Mother of his children. For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother.” (Melvin J. Ballard, as quoted in Bryant S. Hinckley, Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, pp. 205-6.)
Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, p. 129

Three glorified, exalted, and perfected personages comprise the Godhead or supreme presidency of the universe. . . . They are: God the Father; God the Son; God the Holy Ghost.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 319; also Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, God the Eternal Father, Chapter Three, p. 8

@drstevej
“God consists of both an exalted man and an exalted woman... there can be no god except he is composed of the man and woman united, and there is not in all the eternities that exist, nor ever will be, a God in any other way.”
Journal of Discourses, Vol.19, p.269-271, Erastus Snow, March 3, 1878

"The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this."
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:48

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Holy Trinity is the term many Christian religions use to describe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Latter-day Saints believe very strongly in all three, but we don’t believe they’re all the same person.

In Scripture Yahuweh and Yahushua speak with one another, and have always been echad, one, as also the Ekklesia are echad, one , with the Father and with the Son.
Yet no one thinks or claims all the Ekklesia are the "same person", do they ? (no)

 

[SeanMonty]

Yeah three persons but also one person that's what the bible teaches

 

[Peter1000]

Mormonism has made a lot of erroneous statements about their multiple gods.

"Where was there ever a father without first being a son?"
Joseph Smith

"If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

"I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c."
Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, Chapter XXIII, p. 476-477

No matter to what heights God has attained or may attain, he does not stand alone: for side by side with him, in all her glory, a glory like unto his, stands a companion, the Mother of his children. For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother.” (Melvin J. Ballard, as quoted in Bryant S. Hinckley, Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, pp. 205-6.)
Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, p. 129

Three glorified, exalted, and perfected personages comprise the Godhead or supreme presidency of the universe. . . . They are: God the Father; God the Son; God the Holy Ghost.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 319; also Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, God the Eternal Father, Chapter Three, p. 8

@drstevej
“God consists of both an exalted man and an exalted woman... there can be no god except he is composed of the man and woman united, and there is not in all the eternities that exist, nor ever will be, a God in any other way.”
Journal of Discourses, Vol.19, p.269-271, Erastus Snow, March 3, 1878

"The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this."
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:48

Where is the error?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where is the error?

unbelief ?

 

[Peter1000]

In Scripture Yahuweh and Yahushua speak with one another, and have always been echad, one, as also the Ekklesia are echad, one , with the Father and with the Son.
Yet no one thinks or claims all the Ekklesia are the "same person", do they ? (no)

Interesting, just how do 2 persons in the same one Person speak to each other. Now if there are 2 Persons that are separate and distinct, then they use their mouths and speak face to face to each other, no problem, but if they are 1 seems like a problem to speak to each other, unless someone can explain that to me.

It is like Jesus sitting on the right hand of God in the heavens. If they are 2 persons in 1 God, how is it that they sit by each other. But if they are 2 separate and distinct persons, then it is logical that they could sit side by side.

So can you explain how 1 God with 2 Persons talk to each other, and how 1 God with 2 persons sit side by side to each other. Thanks.

 

[Peter1000]

unbelief ?

Not on my part, I believe fully in Jesus Christ.