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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Andrewn, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. faroukfarouk

    faroukfarouk Fading curmudgeon

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    All very strange...:scratch:
     
  2. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    Since you are already married, you might consider your own wife.
     
  3. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Do you now believe you can distinguish between a Christian and a non-Christian?

    Matthew 7
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    How many Christians do you know by their fruits?
     
  4. Ironhold

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    Considering how the so-called "Christian Counter-Cult" seems to be a haven for the worst of the worst among mainline Christian groups, you might want to be careful with how you take this argument.
     
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  5. faroukfarouk

    faroukfarouk Fading curmudgeon

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    Great verse there...
     
  6. Daniel Marsh

    Daniel Marsh Well-Known Member

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    read to here
     
  7. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

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    It is rather easy to know. As your scripture says, it is by their fruits that you can know. Fruits is another word for good works. You can also tell by the way they talk too.

    I know a lot of Christians that wear the cross on their necks, but are living with their lover and never go to church and would not be caught doing a service project or teaching a Sunday School class etc., etc., etc.
     
  8. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    You said: "I know a lot of Christians that wear the cross on their necks, but are living with their lover and never go to church and would not be caught doing a service project or teaching a Sunday School class etc., etc., etc."

    Unfortunately there are bad people in every denomination as only Jesus Christ has lived a perfect life. That being said, those who repent and thereafter keep the commandments of LOVE, are the good fruit:

    (Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith 1:13)

    13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
     
  9. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

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    Of course you are correct.

    My response was to note that there are ways that you can know that a person who says they are a Christian, are really not all that concerned with Christian living, and therefore are not really Christians at heart.

    That is also true in all world religions. It is also true in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So I do understand the dynamics of declaring yourself to be Christian and really not being a Christian.

    I also clearly understand that one can at any moment repent and get back on the right path, and access the free gift of grace that is given by Jesus to help keep us on the right path.

    Hope I did not come across in an untoward way. It was not my intention to do so.
     
  10. Peter1000

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    If it is possible, I would like to take up the topic of this OP again. "One Essence".

    I learned earlier in this OP that as humans we are all of "one essence" because we are all human.

    Before I go any further I wish someone would tell me that I am correct or not. Please respond.
     
  11. mmksparbud

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    Yes, we are all human. We have passed on the DNA from Adam and Eve down to the present, though along the way it has been corrupted and mutated and we have many diseases---we are still human.
    God and the Holy Spirit and the Son were all one essence before the incarnatio0n. When Jesus became human, The 3 were no longer of entirely the same essence for Jesus acquired a slight mutation! He retains that mutation, but He also retains His divine essence----we never had the divine essence. We are glorified mud made alive by the breath of God. We become even more glorified mud at the resurrection, but not ever divine. Divinity is not acquired, you are or you aren't. You can not work up to it.
     
  12. Andrewn

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    In post #8, I wrote, "Essence is defined as qualities common to God." There are 2 important sides to this statement:

    1) The Holy Trinity share the essence of God in a unique way. Human beings don't share in the essence of God; and

    2) The Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit are not 3 separate personages. They're 3 prosopa (concrete co-eternal manifestations) of 3 hypostases (modes of existence) of the One Transcendent God.
     
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  13. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    What is the essence of God?
     
  14. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I answered this in message #8, 2 Mo ago. You're still asking!!!
     
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  15. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    God.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  16. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    I did not read your whole post #8 to Peter1000 where you said: "Essence is defined as qualities common to God. Such as being unlimited / omnipresent, eternal / immutable, and all-powerful /omnipotent. The Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit. What makes God one is that he has only one will and activity.

    The word essence is sometimes rendered substance, nature, or being."

    So thank you. Do you believe that the Father and the Son are of one substance (both have bodies of flesh and bone)?:

    (New Testament | Luke 24:39)

    39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    The word essence is quite nebulous in it's meaning, while substance has a more distinct meaning. Some people have described the Trinity as being similar to water, ice, and steam. Do you support that description? I myself believe they are one on glory, and perfection as described by Jesus in John 17:21-23.
     
  17. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They're indeed one in will, glory, and perfection. They also share qualities such as being unlimited / omnipresent, eternal / immutable, and all-powerful /omnipotent. The metaphor you mentioned would be acceptable if the water, ice, and steam coexist at the same time from eternity and have one mind, emotions, and will.

    In Jesus, the eternal Son of God took flesh and became man (Luk 24:39). The Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit never took flesh. And God the Son like them is immutable and didn't acquire any mutations. His deity did not change. God is still one essence / one being / one substance. Jehovah is Elohim.
     
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  18. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Are they really Christians? How do you know?

    Non-Christians can wear crosses. Jewelry never made anyone a Christian and the Bible never mentions Mormon temple garments.

    My molester LDS ex-brother-in-law went to your church every week and his name was on the rolls of your church. I wonder if he took the bread and water.

    We don't call helping others "service projects." Doing what Christ wants us to do doesn't make one person more worthy than another Christian. X, Y, and Z aren't brownie points.

    "The reason a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, is because it has root in Christ and is fed by that root. Does the tree bear the root, or the root the tree? Therefore, again, what reward do we merit for bringing forth good fruit, when we only bring it forth because of Christ, not ourselves?"
    Tony Warren

    Luke 17:10
    • "So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."
     
  19. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    I believe that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit. I also believe that these three members of the Godhead share more attributes than glory and perfection. However, to be of one substance they would all have flesh and bones like Jesus, but a spirit does not have flesh and bones.
     
  20. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What's the bread and water?
     
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