Once Gay (Matthew and friends)

[Carl Emerson]

Ms Heche alleges that she has had a very abusive childhood. Although some or all of what she alleges is contested by her family, we should cut her a lot of slack.

Yes - compassion is in order...

No - her claims should not be taken as authoritative without much scrutiny.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread was moved to the Junk Drawer from General Politics as it is not politics.

Please keep the Statement of Purpose in mind regarding homosexuality. ​

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you view the video, this banning of re-transition is politically driven to the extent that innocent folk are required to go 'underground'

 

[East of Eden]

Ms Heche alleges that she has had a very abusive childhood.

True of many homosexuals. Our sick society manufactures them.

 

[The Barbarian]

True of many homosexuals. Our sick society manufactures them.

That's a common belief, but the evidence is that sexual orientation is determined before one is born. Homosexuality seems to be constant in all human societies and in other species as well.

 

[Quartermaine]

That's a common belief, but the evidence is that sexual orientation is determined before one is born. Homosexuality seems to be constant in all human societies and in other species as well.

There is a good deal of evidence that LGBT individuals aren't abused at any more or less than their counterparts up to the time they enter their teens and are outed to family then the abuse skyrockets particularly physical abuse.

 

[Carl Emerson]

That's a common belief, but the evidence is that sexual orientation is determined before one is born. Homosexuality seems to be constant in all human societies and in other species as well.

If this was true, then it would have been unjust of God to mandate against it.

Folks can be born with a spiritual inheritance that is not all Kosher. In such cases this can be discerned and corrected.

So much comes back to our belief that the bible is God's message to us or not.

In the face of social pressure and so called science, believers are called to heed His Words.

 

[Quartermaine]

If this was true, then it would have been unjust of God to mandate against it.

Then maybe the problem is your claims about the mandate

 

[The Barbarian]

If this was true, then it would have been unjust of God to mandate against it.

So if I happen to be born with a terrible temper, it's unjust of God to expect me to behave peaceably? No. We all have our crosses to bear, and some are heavier than others for reasons only God knows.

But I do notice that He spends less ink in the Bible on that, than He does almost any other sin. Which is probably a clue for anyone who wants to be enlightened.

In the face of social pressure and so called science, believers are called to heed His Words.

Perhaps reality shouldn't be your fear. After all, He created that, too. And the funny thing is, regardless of "social pressure", the facts come out the same. That's why science is so troublesome for some so called theologians.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Then maybe the problem is your claims about the mandate

Anybody can read it...

Not everybody believes it...

 

[Carl Emerson]

So if I happen to be born with a terrible temper, it's unjust of God to expect me to behave peaceably? No. We all have our crosses to bear, and some are heavier than others for reasons only God knows.

God wiped out whole people groups contaminated by sin.

Man, Women and Child...

We have lost sight of His Holy hatred of sin.

 

[Lost4words]

My buddy thought he must be gay as everytime he walked past a 'strange wall' in the bathroom he fell in love with the other dog that reflected back at him.

Until i told him it was the mirror!

 

[The Barbarian]

God wiped out whole people groups contaminated by sin.

We are all of us, contaminated by sin. Anyone thinking otherwise is kidding himself.

We have lost sight of His Holy hatred of sin.

I think you've lost sight of His Holy love for us.

 

[Carl Emerson]

We are all of us, contaminated by sin. Anyone thinking otherwise is kidding himself.



I think you've lost sight of His Holy love for us.

You seem to have avoided the issue...

Sodom was Judged - the folks there were extremely wicked and beyond redemption.

"Behold the kindness and severity of God...

His Love for us and His Hatred if sin were reconciled on the Cross for those who believe.

 

[Quartermaine]

You seem to have avoided the issue...

Sodom was Judged - the folks there were extremely wicked and beyond redemption.

"Behold the kindness and severity of God...

His Love for us and His Hatred if sin were reconciled on the Cross for those who believe.

'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49

 

[The Barbarian]

You seem to have avoided the issue...

The issue you're avoiding is this; we are all contaminated with sin. Every one of us. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding himself.

God judges each of us according to our works, not in some aggregate.

Matthew 25:31-46 Revelation 20:12

Sodom was Judged - the folks there were extremely wicked and beyond redemption.

And yet God was patient and put off punishment on the chance that even one of the wicked within might be saved. If one would have repented and been justified thereby, the city would have been spared.

Your error is to overlook His love in favor of His justice. And He is both perfectly loving and just. Let it be His way, not man's way.

 

[Carl Emerson]

'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49

Correct - and such attitudes lead to boredom and eventually a corrupt lifestyle.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The issue you're avoiding is this; we are all contaminated with sin. Every one of us. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding himself.

God judges each of us according to our works, not in some aggregate.

Matthew 25:31-46 Revelation 20:12



And yet God was patient and put off punishment on the chance that even one of the wicked within might be saved. If one would have repented and been justified thereby, the city would have been spared.

Your error is to overlook His love in favor of His justice. And He is both perfectly loving and just. Let it be His way, not man's way.

First off I never claimed mankind was not sinful - it is a matter of degree.

Love and Justice go hand in hand...

 

[The Barbarian]

First off I never claimed mankind was not sinful - it is a matter of degree.

I would avoid joining the "my sins are nicer than your sins" club. Jesus clearly indicated by His number of statements on each, which sins He felt were more serious. Maybe we should just listen to Him, and not decide on our own.

Love and Justice go hand in hand...

As does mercy. For which every one of us should be very grateful.

 

[Quartermaine]

Correct - and such attitudes lead to boredom and eventually a corrupt lifestyle.

God didn't say that, he said THESE are the sins of Sodom