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On Trump Hiring RFK Junior and Musk, into His New Government

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Trump says that he would hire JFK Junior to handle all the health organizations
in the federal government. Really? Hire the conspiracy theory nut, who thinks that
he has a dead worm in his brain?

Trump says that he would hire Musk to handle a downsizing of the federal
government, for efficiency. Really? Musk has not been able to carry out
basic fact checking on his own social media channel (X), which he
promised to do.


I would rather see professional economists handling the economy (such as
the ones who currently have inflation down below 3% annually, and the
professionals at the Centers for Disease Control who know more about
vaccines than trump or Junior ever will).
 
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It’s really weird how the op keeps calling RFK Jr. JFK Jr. :scratch:
I really hope Bobby gets the opportunity to begin tackling the medical issues here in America.
The man is very intelligent; really knows his stuff.
And he seems to genuinely care about the health of our children.

Yes, I know folks will disagree, but I've listened to him.
And he worked hard to reveal 'the real' Anthony Fauci to us.
I very much want the man to have a voice in the Trump presidency.

A vote for Trump isn't just a vote for Trump.
A vote for Trump is also a vote for Bobby, Elon, Tulsi, and Vivek.
What a dynamite team:star: we could have in the White House ... if only just given the chance!
 
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Trump says that he would hire JFK Junior to handle all the health organizations
in the federal government. Really? Hire the conspiracy theory nut, who thinks that
he has a dead worm in his brain?

Trump says that he would hire Musk to handle a downsizing of the federal
government, for efficiency. Really? Musk has not been able to carry out
basic fact checking on his own social media channel (X), which he
promised to do.


I would rather see professional economists handling the economy (such as
the ones who currently have inflation down below 3% annually, and the
professionals at the Centers for Disease Control who know more about
vaccines than trump or Junior ever will).
The problem is so many people are experiencing America going to hell in a handbasket.
 
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Trump says that he would hire JFK Junior to handle all the health organizations
in the federal government. Really? Hire the conspiracy theory nut, who thinks that
he has a dead worm in his brain?

Trump says that he would hire Musk to handle a downsizing of the federal
government, for efficiency. Really? Musk has not been able to carry out
basic fact checking on his own social media channel (X), which he
promised to do.


I would rather see professional economists handling the economy (such as
the ones who currently have inflation down below 3% annually, and the
professionals at the Centers for Disease Control who know more about
vaccines than trump or Junior ever will).
I like that Trump is teaming up with a variety of people rather than the partisan politics we usually get which ends up destroying the nation. Nevermind about what a potential Trump government may do lets look at the current administration and what they have done and will continue to do which is destroy the nation.

I like that Kennedy is passionate about health. If you listen to him you will see its not conspiracy but reality. We can find the evidence that big argricultural corps are poisoning the nation with chemicals. Whether thats the disease and pest resistant crops or in the sugars and chemicals put in products its causing health problems.

In the last few decades we have seen a spike in many allergies, diseases and disorders like ADHD and Autism as well as an obesity crisis happening to our kids. Life expectancy has been reducing and not increasing as a result. I agree with Kennedy that this is the biggest crisis facing western nations.

Big corps don't care and all they want is profits. Its mass production and when it gets to the point where you don't care except for fast tracking foods to the consumer it is going to be compromised.

As for Musk I see no issue in having an outside consultant give advice on how to do things better economically as current governments are failing miserably. Never mind X that is a side project and was more motivated to stop ideolo9gues dominating the media and restricting free speech. He will get it right. But lets lookn at the competitors who don't do any fact checking and in fact promote propaganda and information control.

But Musk must have some ability considering he is the richest man in the world and has manage to create a space tech company that will soon allow people to visit Mars. Already people can visit outer space. I mean entire governments cannot do as well as Musk a single man. He has managed to create something on his own that entire governments cannot do as well.

Along with others who are not obligated to partisan politics like Gabbard and Ramaswamy are commonsense people who are not radicals like the Left. Together they make a much better team than Harris who has no vision but more of the same radical ideas and Waltz who is the same and tries to lie about his past. OR Newsome and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who all tow the same partisan ideology that has destroyed the US and democracy.
 
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Trump says that he would hire JFK Junior to handle all the health organizations
in the federal government. Really? Hire the conspiracy theory nut, who thinks that
he has a dead worm in his brain?

No, Trump didn't say that, or at least not in any way we can verify. Rather, Kennedy said that Trump said he would do it.

“The key that I think I’m – you know, that President Trump has promised me is – is control of the public health agencies, which are HHS (Department of Health and Human Services) and its sub-agencies, CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), FDA (Food and Drug Administration), NIH (National Institutes of Health) and a few others, and then also the USDA (Department of Agriculture), which is – which, you know, is key to making America healthy. Because we’ve got to get off of seed oils, and we’ve got to get off of pesticide intensive agriculture,” Kennedy said.

So this is secondhand information. It's also contradicted by what a member of the Trump team said, as noted by the article:

In an interview with CNN’s Kaitlan Collins, Howard Lutnick, co-chair of the Trump-Vance transition team, said Kennedy would not be in charge of HHS but would be given access to data about vaccines in order to check their safety.

Do you have any direct quotes from Trump claiming that Kennedy will be put in charge of those agencies?
 
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RFK spreading misinformation about autism and vaccines is enough reason alone for me to dismiss him.

Too bad the conventional medical authorities lost all credibility over Covid, huh?

Your future is full of many RFK's in positions of power.
 
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RFK spreading misinformation about autism and vaccines is enough reason alone for me to dismiss him.
Were you as worried about our government funding dangerous gain-of-function research in China, our health authorities lying about it, our media and the CDC promoting a biased and bogus statement regarding the origins of COVID-19 from compromised and dishonest "scientists"?

Were you as worried about the Democratic Party, who even after being briefed by the FBI, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and independent researchers, systematically lied to the American public and spread CCP propaganda regarding the origins of the virus?

You are free to criticize RFK's positions on vaccines and other health-related issues, but that pales in comparison to the campaign of lies that was launched during the pandemic, which caused schools to stay closed for up to 2 years, wrecked the economy, and helped create a hurricane of inflation.
 
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Too bad the conventional medical authorities lost all credibility over Covid, huh?

I'll take conventional medicine over grifters hocking horse pills any day...

Your future is full of many RFK's in positions of power.

God willing, no... Like I said, MAGA appears to be so morally unserious, I can't imagine a majority of my fellow citizens actually believing in this nonsense.
 
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I like that Trump is teaming up with a variety of people rather than the partisan politics we usually get which ends up destroying the nation. Nevermind about what a potential Trump government may do lets look at the current administration and what they have done and will continue to do which is destroy the nation.

I like that Kennedy is passionate about health. If you listen to him you will see its not conspiracy but reality. We can find the evidence that big argricultural corps are poisoning the nation with chemicals. Whether thats the disease and pest resistant crops or in the sugars and chemicals put in products its causing health problems.

In the last few decades we have seen a spike in many allergies, diseases and disorders like ADHD and Autism as well as an obesity crisis happening to our kids. Life expectancy has been reducing and not increasing as a result. I agree with Kennedy that this is the biggest crisis facing western nations.

Autism isn't caused by the food people eat. As somebody diagnosed with autism as an adult, I find the concept not only ludicrous, but insulting. Autism is a pervasive development disorder whose causes are unknown, but there's no proven causative link between vaccines, food, and autism.

Big corps don't care and all they want is profits. Its mass production and when it gets to the point where you don't care except for fast tracking foods to the consumer it is going to be compromised.

And you don't think alt med quacks aren't potentially motivated by profits? If you don't, I have a bridge to sell you...

As for Musk I see no issue in having an outside consultant give advice on how to do things better economically as current governments are failing miserably. Never mind X that is a side project and was more motivated to stop ideolo9gues dominating the media and restricting free speech. He will get it right. But lets lookn at the competitors who don't do any fact checking and in fact promote propaganda and information control.

Musk isn't a super genius. Just a guy whose daddy made his fortune off conflict diamonds and racism in southern Africa.
 
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I'll take conventional medicine over grifters hocking horse pills any day...

God willing, no... Like I said, MAGA appears to be so morally unserious, I can't imagine a majority of my fellow citizens actually believing in this nonsense.

conventional institution of medicine believes boys can turn into girls and encourages it
 
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conventional institution of medicine believes boys can turn into girls and encourages it

That's changing the subject and attempting to poison the well with simplistic memes about a complex subject.

But again, MAGA is all about moral unseriousness....
 
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Autism isn't caused by the food people eat. As somebody diagnosed with autism as an adult, I find the concept not only ludicrous, but insulting. Autism is a pervasive development disorder whose causes are unknown, but there's no proven causative link between vaccines, food, and autism.
Ok no insult intended. Then I must ask why has Autism increased and especially in the last 10 years and especially in developed nations. Something about our lifestyle is causing the increase.

Global studies of autism prevalence show an increasing trend over the past 50 years and a marked increase over the past decade, especially in more developed economies.

I don't think we can say what exactly causes Autism. But there are certain risk factors and the environment such as pesticides may play a role. Considering that genetics is also a big factor and genes can be affected by environment including epigenetic influences in the expression of genes ie contagons or stress can influence the expression of genes we cannot rule out lifestyle.

Especially in that most of the increase is coming from developed nations who have high stress, mass production, high GMC, and consumer products.

Autism Risk Factors.
Parental pesticide exposure, maternal obesity and diabetes and environmental influences.
And you don't think alt med quacks aren't potentially motivated by profits? If you don't, I have a bridge to sell you...
If you mean Med quacks as doctors and other health experts and not media quacks because I don't trust them either. But yes health experts have a vested interest especially with big Pharma. I think that is what Kennedy was on about. How the big Pharma,, the government and health experts work together to impose harmful conditions on society to maximise profits. Profits before people.

So that monopoly needs to be broken up. His solution is to make the chemicals that are used illegal or expensive to use and then big corps have to find alternative methods.

There is a chemical in plastics I think that is decreasing male testosterone. Or rather filling the environment with female estrogen. So male sperm count has dropped dramatically putting at risk reproduction. Profit hungry corps don't listen so beating them by making the process expensive makes them listen quickly as they hate losing money.
Musk isn't a super genius. Just a guy whose daddy made his fortune off conflict diamonds and racism in southern Africa.
Why is it the Left always attack the person. Want to discredit them personally. Then at the same time are busy running around trying to inflate their own credibility with liues about how good they are to make themselves look better.

For which they have been caught out doing many times. Like Waltz's fairytales and Kamala's constant reference to being working class when shes an elite who was given a dream run to DA by Willie Brown. And the presidential candidate I might add. A political choice and not merit. Give me a break.

Same with Obama sitting in his multi million dollar mansions while the Obamas talk of the common people lol. The Left are now the party of the elites and the Right is the working class party. Its completely reversed.

When in reality people like Musk and Vance did come from humble beginnings and are down to earth. Musk was not helped by his dad. He got a very small inheritance because his dad was not that rich when he died. In fact its the other way around. Musk supports his dad and has done most of his life.

Musk has made himself though a lot of hard work and intelligence. He obsessively read everything and gained knowledge and has a photgraphic memory. In that sense he is a one off, a sort of idiot sevant.

By the way his dad had an electrical business

Just more of the lies the Left and its media puts out.
 
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Ok no insult intended. Then I must ask why has Autism increased and especially in the last 10 years and especially in developed nations. Something about our lifestyle is causing the increase.

More awareness and better diagnostics.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was in my 30's.

I don't think we can say what exactly causes Autism. But there are certain risk factors and the environment such as pesticides may play a role.

It is believed to have a strong genetic component, and while epigenetic factors likely play a role, pesticides aren't one I have heard discussed. Usually, it's things like birth order, etc. Not the nonsense that quacks like RFK talk about.

Especially in that most of the increase is coming from developed nations who have high stress, mass production, high GMC, and consumer products.

Or maybe because wealthier countries have better access to healthcare.
 
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More awareness and better diagnostics.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was in my 30's.
Yeah we are getting better at finding these problems. Pity we can also be good at stopping them.
It is believed to have a strong genetic component, and while epigenetic factors likely play a role, pesticides aren't one I have heard discussed. Usually, it's things like birth order, etc. Not the nonsense that quacks like RFK talk about.
Well I would imagine that some research dept would be involved to work all that out. The point is that big pharma and corps don't care about peoples health and wellbeing but profits. They are poisoning people with mass produced foods and consumer products.

We have see an increase in a number of disorders, viruses, diseases, and immune problems. We have massive obesity and diabetes problems due to pushing processed foods. Something needs to change and I think Kennedy highlighting this is a breath of fresh air from the race and gender politics the Left go on about.
Or maybe because wealthier countries have better access to healthcare.
Probably a bit of both. But thats not the point. Its that the more developed nations seem to have higher rates. That the better health access identifies this better now doesn't change the fact that they have higher rates. This points to a possible connection between practices or diets or something in developed nations is contributing.

Which makes sense considering that the big pharma and corps are not in it for making us healthy but making them money.
 
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Yeah we are getting better at finding these problems. Pity we can also be good at stopping them.

Yeah, well, I think that's a shortsighted attitude. Society can learn to make accomodations for people with autism, instead of merely focusing on the pathological aspects. And tha's where RFK and his ilk's rhetoric about autism isn't helpful for people like me. Because it suggest a cure for autism is possible. I don't think it is- I don't think you can separate out the autism from the person, in many cases, it is an essential characteristic of who I am to a great extent. Better treatment and accomodations would do far more to help people with autism, than ridiculous quackery about autism being caused by vaccines or pesticides.

Well I would imagine that some research dept would be involved to work all that out. The point is that big pharma and corps don't care about peoples health and wellbeing but profits.

This is an overly cynical attitude. Everybody cares about profits to a certain extent, it's just part of being human- we want a profitable use of our time and talents. That doesn't mean every desire or aim of humans should be treated with suspicion, especially when the track record of modern medicine is pretty good compared to the alternatives.

They are poisoning people with mass produced foods and consumer products.

"Poison" is an extreme statement, since for some people, having junk food is better than having no food at all. The reality is that modern humans in developed countries are often suffering from diseases of affluence. Research on the so-called Blue Zones has shown that it's possible to have a highq quality of life without a certain level of affluence, and that afluence in some cases might even be contributing to poor health.

We have see an increase in a number of disorders, viruses, diseases, and immune problems.

But it's far more complicated than just something ammenable to simple, and politically palatable solutions. Especially in a country like the United States, but even in regions like the EU, sugar and fat texes, which have a great deal of justification from a public health policy standpoint, often carry alot of political baggage.

We have massive obesity and diabetes problems due to pushing processed foods.

Like I said, for some people processed food is better tha no food at all. The Green Revolution allowed billions of people to live who otherwise would have starved.

Something needs to change and I think Kennedy highlighting this is a breath of fresh air from the race and gender politics the Left go on about.

This is fatuitous reasoning, and a false dichotomy, like people on the "Left" can't also care about improving their health? Some of us just prefer not to turn to pseudoscience and grifters selling horse dewormers and supplements.

Which makes sense considering that the big pharma and corps are not in it for making us healthy but making them money.

This is stupid populist rhetoric. The incentives are intrinsic to capitalism. I don't see Donald Trump and MAGA being in favor of regulation of agribusiness. If anything, the Republican Party gets more than its share of donations from agribusiness, so the incentives are there to not kill the goose laying the golden eggs.
 
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Yeah, well, I think that's a shortsighted attitude. Society can learn to make accomodations for people with autism, instead of merely focusing on the pathological aspects. And tha's where RFK and his ilk's rhetoric about autism isn't helpful for people like me. Because it suggest a cure for autism is possible. I don't think it is- I don't think you can separate out the autism from the person, in many cases, it is an essential characteristic of who I am to a great extent. Better treatment and accomodations would do far more to help people with autism, than ridiculous quackery about autism being caused by vaccines or pesticides.
No I think Kennedy is being realistic and pragmatic. He isn't professing or pushing some cure or particular ideology. Its just plain and simple common sense based on the data. Many problems are being caused by poor management of the nations health and have done for decades. Its taking a toll. So its about time we got back to the basics. Putting good health before money.

If find it strange that people say its quackery when someone wants to stand on stopping say the obesity and diabetic epidemic in kids. This is just obvious first principle doing good, doing no harm. Which as a society we as adults should take responsibility for. I think modern society is very accommodating. We have all sorts of information and supports. Including treating people with respect.

We actually need to stop what is causing these problems in the first place. We talk about cleaning up the environment with climate change. What about cleaning up the health of kids and future generations.
This is an overly cynical attitude. Everybody cares about profits to a certain extent, it's just part of being human- we want a profitable use of our time and talents. That doesn't mean every desire or aim of humans should be treated with suspicion, especially when the track record of modern medicine is pretty good compared to the alternatives.
Come on we are talking about big Pharma. They have a history of scrupulous practices putting profits over peoples health.
"Poison" is an extreme statement, since for some people, having junk food is better than having no food at all.
No its not extreme. For example the high processed sugar content in foods is literally poison. Processed sugar is a poison to the body. Probably the number one. Strangly enough artificial sweetners are worse.

The idea that because some is less likely to starve in a western nation doesn't make poisoning kids with sugar and other chemicals ok.
The reality is that modern humans in developed countries are often suffering from diseases of affluence. Research on the so-called Blue Zones has shown that it's possible to have a highq quality of life without a certain level of affluence, and that afluence in some cases might even be contributing to poor health.
Its probably a bit of a number of factors. But the fact is the environment is contributing. Mass production and processed foods is definitely contributing to obesity and diabetes.

Obesity in American children has increased dramatically since John F. Kennedy's presidency, from around 4 percent in the 1960s to almost 20 percent in 2024. The causes of childhood obesity are complex, but a primary origin is clearly the modern American diet of highly processed foods. But our food problem goes well beyond obesity: Pesticides are proven risk factors for neurodevelopmental outcomes in kids, causing maladies like ADHD.

But it's far more complicated than just something ammenable to simple, and politically palatable solutions. Especially in a country like the United States, but even in regions like the EU, sugar and fat texes, which have a great deal of justification from a public health policy standpoint, often carry alot of political baggage.
Yeah its like environmental taxes. But at least the issue is being put forward as a policy concern. Thats what I like about Trumps team its multi dimensional. Its not just the issues like abortion or immigration but grassroots issues like kids health. Because there are different perspectives from outside the partisan party politics it is more representative.
Like I said, for some people processed food is better tha no food at all. The Green Revolution allowed billions of people to live who otherwise would have starved.
Well right now the issue of people starving is becoming a problem in supposed wealthy nations. Many having to choose between medicine and food. Many struggling to afford proper food.

Its ok to say well at least people have food. I think thats pessimistic. Because the thing is yeah they have food but because its not healthy we end up with doubling the problems by accepting the lower standard. Then we compound it again and again and before you know it we are accepting all sorts of stuff.

But we can set the bar high and thats what I like about Trump. Just having food or just surviving isn't good enough. It needs to be great again. That is how western societies built their nations on the basics like good health for kids nationally. As a national agenda. The expectation was for the highest of standards.
This is fatuitous reasoning, and a false dichotomy, like people on the "Left" can't also care about improving their health? Some of us just prefer not to turn to pseudoscience and grifters selling horse dewormers and supplements.
I am sure the Left can. They were the party of social welfare. National health schemes ect. But I find it ironic that coming from someone who just accused the Right of not being capable of coming up with a health plan as it was quackery.

All I am saying is not that the Left can't come up with a health platform but that I like how the Trump team has invited a range of people with different ideas they are passionate about. Rather than the same old ppartisan politics.

You have to admit its an unusual setup having more or less both Republicans and Dems as well as private bussiness minds together as a team. I have not heard of such a thing in modern politics.
This is stupid populist rhetoric. The incentives are intrinsic to capitalism. I don't see Donald Trump and MAGA being in favor of regulation of agribusiness. If anything, the Republican Party gets more than its share of donations from agribusiness, so the incentives are there to not kill the goose laying the golden eggs.
Thats why I like the idea that Dems like Kennedy and Gabbard are on the team because it breaks up the usual Rights based politics that over protects big business. Its adding ideas and positions from outside the usual hard Right politics and bring things back to the middle as each position balances the others.
 
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