On removing monuments

[hislegacy]

An individual recruited more than 150 people for his section of the KKK, took an active and longstanding position against civil rights.

should this individuals name be removed from buildings and monuments.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

My three year old sets better traps. Just saying.

How about just making your point.

 

[tulc]

I'd be all right removing this politicians name from buildings and such for having been so good at recruiting people to the KKK:
KKK Leader Says Donald Trump is a Great Recruiting Tool

Donald Trump is inspiring white supremacists, according to a national organizer of a leading Ku Klux Klan group — and his candid rhetoric is being used to recruit more of them.

tulc(since the question was asked)

 

[hislegacy]

My three year old sets better traps. Just saying.

How about just making your point.

it is only a trap if there is a political bias

 

[hislegacy]

I'd be all right removing this politicians name from buildings and such for having been so good at recruiting people to the KKK:
KKK Leader Says Donald Trump is a Great Recruiting Tool

tulc(since the question was asked)

Psst. The question was not asked. I know the Whataboutism is strong with some posters, but it is still off topic.

Here is the way to tell the difference.

If the person did not PERSONALLY recruit over 150 Klansman for his part of the KKK

And

Didn’t personally stand up against the Civil Rights movement and amendment. It isn’t who I am asking about

See how easy it is to tell the difference.

 

[tulc]

Psst. The question was not asked. I know the Whataboutism is strong with some posters, but it is still off topic.

You asked if the politician described should have his name removed from buildings and such. But you didn't name that politician. I simply found one that seemed to fit your description and than decided if I thought his name should be removed from buildings and such. And I did. That your question was written so vaguely that multiple people could be plugged in there isn't really our fault is it?
tulc(is just sayn')

 

[tulc]

it is only a trap if there is a political bias

if this isn't political why is it in this forum?
tulc(is just curious)

 

[Hank77]

An individual recruited more than 150 people for his section of the KKK, took an active and longstanding position against civil rights.

should this individuals name be removed from buildings and monuments.

Shouldn't it depend on whether the property is federal, state, or private?

 

[hislegacy]

Shouldn't it depend on whether the property is federal, state, or private?

Valid question. What are your thoughts?

 

[hislegacy]

You asked if the politician described should have his name removed from buildings and such. But you didn't name that politician. I simply found one that seemed to fit your description and than decided if I thought his name should be removed from buildings and such. And I did. That your question was written so vaguely that multiple people could be plugged in there isn't really our fault is it?
tulc(is just sayn')

The President does not fit the DEA ription for the obvious reasons that he has never recruited 150 people while a member of the KKK. And he has never opposed the civil Rights ament.

Wanna try again?

 

[tulc]

So it isn't President Trump? Because it sounds like President Trump has helped recruit a lot more people to the KKK then whoever you seem keen to name but can't seem to bring yourself to do so just yet.
tulc(is just sayn')

 

[Hank77]

Valid question. What are your thoughts?

I'm having a hard time with this one, I know who you are referring to, but not because of his party affiliation. It's because of the turn around of his views over his very long political career and because many of the properties that bear his name do so because he 'brought home the pork' to West Virginia for those projects. He wasn't being honored as some American hero or for military greatness.
I think it would depend on each individual instance.

 

[Albion]

Shouldn't it depend on whether the property is federal, state, or private?

The whole idea of removing statues of heroes from the past is that they do not deserve to remain, given the demands of BLM and Antifa. So the question seems to have been asked with consistency in mind. You didn't take that into account.

If a statue of Ulysses S. Grant or Thomas Jefferson, for example, has to go, how could an individual such as the one described in the Original Post NOT deserve to be removed?

 

[Hank77]

The whole idea of removing statues of heroes from the past is that they do not deserve to remain, given the demands of BLM and Antifa. So the question seems to have been asked with consistency in mind. You didn't take that into account.

If a statue of Ulysses S. Grant or Thomas Jefferson, for example, has to go, how could an individual such as the one described in the Original Post NOT deserve to be removed?

I'm being asked what I think not what BLM or anyone else thinks.

 

[Arcangl86]

it is only a trap if there is a political bias

No, it's a trap because of your intent. You want progressives to agree with you and then spring the gotcha that you are talking about Robert Byrd, while of course leaving out the fact that he repented of his racism and for half his life was a champion for civil rights.

 

[hislegacy]

I'm having a hard time with this one, I know who you are referring to, but not because of his party affiliation. It's because of the turn around of his views over his very long political career and because many of the properties that bear his name do so because he 'brought home the pork' to West Virginia for those projects. He wasn't being honored as some American hero or for military greatness.
I think it would depend on each individual instance.

very possibly. The only question that remains is did he ever disavow being a KKK organizer or fighting against the Civil Rights act.

Senator Byrd did have a long career, one of the longest. He seems to have done a 180 and bravo if he actually did. I just am not convinced that it was part of a personal epiphany or just politically expedient for his career.

 

[Albion]

I'm being asked what I think not what BLM or anyone else thinks.

Yeh. We were all being asked what we think with reference to the facts that were laid out in the post for our consideration.

 

[hislegacy]

No, it's a trap because of your intent. You want progressives to agree with you and then spring the gotcha that you are talking about Robert Byrd, while of course leaving out the fact that he repented of his racism and for half his life was a champion for civil rights.

That is your opinion, however it is mistaken.

My reason for not mentioning Senator Byrd’s name initially is to see if the issue could be discussed on merit. The facts abscent personality.

obviously some cannot separate their political loyalties from the plain facts.

 

[Hank77]

very possibly. The only question that remains is did he ever disavow being a KKK organizer or fighting against the Civil Rights act.

Yes, he did.

Senator Byrd did have a long career, one of the longest. He seems to have done a 180 and bravo if he actually did. I just am not convinced that it was part of a personal epiphany or just politically expedient for his career.

Can we know that about anyone? I think what we have is the actions of a person.

I think him doing a '180' is evidence and the NAACP said this,
Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".[87]
Robert Byrd - Wikipedia

 

[Arcangl86]

That is your opinion, however it is mistaken.

My reason for not mentioning Senator Byrd’s name initially is to see if the issue could be discussed on merit. The facts abscent personality.

obviously some cannot separate their political loyalties from the plain facts.

If it was only about facts, why did you leave out that he had a long standing position supporting civil rights? If it was only about the facts, why did you leave out the fact that he apologized multiple times for joining the Klan. And and i would feel the same way if he was a Republican. This has nothing to do with political loyalty, but more disagreement with your tactics.