Blessings in Christ.
Those of you who know me know I have expressed Messianic leanings in the past.
I've been interacting with someone at another Forum who is rabidly anti-Dispensationalist, interprets "Israel" to be the church, and argues vehemently against anyone saying that literal Israel still has a place in God's divine plan. I'm Dispensationalist, so I disagree with him, but what is most troubling is that he also disparages Messianics in particular, with an almost racist tone.
Forgive me if anyone finds this offensive, but I want input from the Messianics here at Christian Forums about the following post. Comments on the veracity of any of it would be helpful, but especially your take on our oneness in Christ, i.e. the oneness of both Gentiles and Jews in the Bride of Christ, through the Spirit of God.
Thanks for taking the time to respond in advance,
Hidden In Him
"[According to Messianics], the new Covenant is between God and the 2 houses of Israel. That's it. Only THAT is biblical. It is not a covenant with the world. So then the nations have no part in the bride of Christ...which is the new Jerusalem (the capital of Israel). This makes Gentiles a sort of afterthought and an inferior people eternally.
So then in this view Gentiles cannot be saints....as saints are in the New Jerusalem and are the Bride of Christ.
Of course this is very wrong. It places adherence to an obsolete observance (Judaism) and DNA above the miraculous entrance into kingdom life. It denies grace and the power of a new life doctrinally.
Most Messianic "rabbis" (champions of this doctrine) teach some crazy things not found in the bible...such as.. there are actually 2 brides (thereby keeping the Jews superior) or else the nations are filled with.....the nations... are forever ruled over by Jews. We Gentiles are just keeping the place of the Jews open for them...until they come into the kingdom...then we will be demoted to being their servants.
I have fully investigated this and have traveled with a prominent Jewish "prophet" and know a number of Messianic teachers. They all deny the Oneness in Christ. They are and remain forever "unique" and "superior". It comes from Talmudic teachings whereby the evil of the Jew is still more righteous than the most righteous Gentile. It is like the false doctrine that Christians have that the worst Christian is still better than the best non-Christian. Same idea...same spirit.
Check it out."
Those of you who know me know I have expressed Messianic leanings in the past.
I've been interacting with someone at another Forum who is rabidly anti-Dispensationalist, interprets "Israel" to be the church, and argues vehemently against anyone saying that literal Israel still has a place in God's divine plan. I'm Dispensationalist, so I disagree with him, but what is most troubling is that he also disparages Messianics in particular, with an almost racist tone.
Forgive me if anyone finds this offensive, but I want input from the Messianics here at Christian Forums about the following post. Comments on the veracity of any of it would be helpful, but especially your take on our oneness in Christ, i.e. the oneness of both Gentiles and Jews in the Bride of Christ, through the Spirit of God.
Thanks for taking the time to respond in advance,
Hidden In Him
"[According to Messianics], the new Covenant is between God and the 2 houses of Israel. That's it. Only THAT is biblical. It is not a covenant with the world. So then the nations have no part in the bride of Christ...which is the new Jerusalem (the capital of Israel). This makes Gentiles a sort of afterthought and an inferior people eternally.
So then in this view Gentiles cannot be saints....as saints are in the New Jerusalem and are the Bride of Christ.
Of course this is very wrong. It places adherence to an obsolete observance (Judaism) and DNA above the miraculous entrance into kingdom life. It denies grace and the power of a new life doctrinally.
Most Messianic "rabbis" (champions of this doctrine) teach some crazy things not found in the bible...such as.. there are actually 2 brides (thereby keeping the Jews superior) or else the nations are filled with.....the nations... are forever ruled over by Jews. We Gentiles are just keeping the place of the Jews open for them...until they come into the kingdom...then we will be demoted to being their servants.
I have fully investigated this and have traveled with a prominent Jewish "prophet" and know a number of Messianic teachers. They all deny the Oneness in Christ. They are and remain forever "unique" and "superior". It comes from Talmudic teachings whereby the evil of the Jew is still more righteous than the most righteous Gentile. It is like the false doctrine that Christians have that the worst Christian is still better than the best non-Christian. Same idea...same spirit.
Check it out."