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Featured On his own, man is totally unable to believe in the gospel

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    Man is …
    • a spiritual idiot … just consider the historical variety of religions, cults, sects, etc.
    • spiritually blind and deaf …
    Matthew 13:13-15, John 12:39-40, Ephesians 4:18
    • unable to understand the things of God (they are foolishness to him) …
    1 Corinthians 2:14
    • sees the gospel as utter foolishness … 1 Corinthians 1:18
    • unable to believe the truth of the gospel because it is veiled … 2 Corinth 3:14-16, 2 Corinth 4:3

    Man is …
    • blinded by Satan …
    Acts 26:18, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
    • controlled (ruled) by Satan … John 12:31, John 14:30, John 16:11;
    2 Corinthians 4:4, 1 John 5:19, Acts 26:18, Ephesians 2:2

    • deceived by Satan …
    Revelation 12:9, John 8:44, 2 Corinthians 11:14
    • a captive of Satan (unto death) …
    Hebrews 2:14-15, Luke 4:18, 2 Timothy 2:26, Ephesians 4:8

    Man is …
    • unable to be saved by his own desire or works … Romans 9:16, Ephesians 2:8-9
    • only able to be saved by the grace and mercy of God … Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7
    • not allowed to choose; God chooses only whomever He pleases … Romans 9:9-24


    Man is …
    • born with an inherited sin nature …
    requires a separate thread to list the many verses!
    • spiritually dead in his sins …
    Ephesians 2:1-5, Colossians 2:13, Romans 4:17,
    1 Corinthians 1:9-10, 1 Peter 4:6, Revelation 3:1
    • a captive to the law of sin and death … Romans 8:2, Romans 8:6
    • a slave of sin … John 8:34, Romans 6:12-22, Galatians 4:7
    • an enemy of God … Romans 8:7
     
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  2. Maria Billingsley

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    Interesting that man was able to sin on his own. So that being said, I do believe man has the ability to know Him by his own action.
     
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  3. BCsenior

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    I'm sorry, do you mind translating that into English?
    Both sentences. Thanks.
     
  4. .Mikha'el.

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    I really don't get the point of your thread. All you've done is throw out some Scripture passages.
     
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  5. BCsenior

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    Oh, I'm sorry ... several guys very recently have challenged me
    about my statements that heathens/non-believers are unable
    to choose to believe in Jesus and His gospel.
    Does it make sense to you now?
     
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  6. Job3315

    Job3315 Well-Known Member

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    Although men were separated from God, they were naturally drawn to worship, they just chose to worship other idols they "could see". When Jesus came, men became drawn to Him by the Holy Spirit, making us able to worship the right God as now we are able to see Him through Jesus because He is the manifestation of the Father. But if we are drawn to an idol or to God himself is only because by default we were created that way by Him.
     
  7. redleghunter

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    Get in line. :)
     
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  8. Oscarr

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    Which part of the OP do you consider not true?
     
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  9. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I think I understand what you are saying; it is very clear.

    One thing > Adam and Eve sinned, after being without sin. So, they had the advantage of not being in sin, when they first chose to sin.

    But humans now are born in sin, and are effected by "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" > in Ephesians 2:2. So, humans without Jesus are now in a degraded state much worse than how Adam and Eve were, before their fall. So, I would say their ability now is much less, for knowing God, than the ability of Adam and Eve before the fall.

    And we see how even while Adam and Eve were perfect creatures without sin, still they became functional to fall. So, I can see how humans now are less able to choose what is good.
     
  10. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    As with with every new thread that is presented ...
    it should be a requirement that posters read and understand
    what has been written BEFORE posting their responses.
    After all, we are living in Utopia, aren't we?
     
  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    No one should be required to read any post. Thank you .
    The majority of mankind CANNOT understand even what they read, so that CANNOT be a requirement, can it ?
     
  12. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    After a good night's sleep,
    I'm able to get a better grasp of what you have written, esp. the last sentence.
    My apologies for post #3.
     
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  13. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Why is that interesting, but God's Word that says in many places that man does not have the ability to know Him by his own action is NOT INTERESTING? (not believed?)
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    "God Gives His Beloved Rest/Sleep".... be it 5 seconds, 5 minutes, 5 hours, it is restful, perfect sleep, and enough .....
     
  15. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    So, they also cannot understand what they have written?
     
  16. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    'selah' a few minutes - "dwell on this" prayerfully....

    I think/thought it was already established that they(mankind)(unregenerate) don't understand anything, so if they write something it cannot or should not be trusted nor accepted
    unless or until proven true, or revealed by God how to think about it, HIS WAY.
     
  17. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Oh sorry did I use another language or are you one of those described in your OP?
     
  18. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Apology accepted and my apology for the snarky reaction.
    Be blessed.
     
  19. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My statement, which seems to have caused some confusion , simply states that Adam and Eve, though created without sin and perfect, were given free will, the ability to choose. They chose to disobey God thus became spiritually dead. The ability to choose remained intact.
     
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  20. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    Apology accepted.
    Meanwhile back at the ranch, what do you think of the verses in the OP?
    And how do they fit in with your post #19?
    Be blessed.
     
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