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Omniscience, YHWH and Jesus Christ, one new God and/or God/Man...? Warning this is not milk...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Nov 19, 2018.

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  1. Neogaia777

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    Let's begin with a question of omniscience... YHWH was not 100% fully omniscient and neither was Jesus fully when he was here with us as man either, not fully... But there is such a one who really genuinely truly was (100% fully omniscient) and always was, and is (and always will be, if that even applies), who is neither one of them (Jesus/YHWH) by themselves, or individually, but, maybe only "together" or "after the cross", IF Jesus and YHWH are not the same one or were always were/was the same one always, that is...

    Either way those two had to become one for either one of them to be or become like, the "One and only, always from the very beginning, completely and 100% truly, always fully omniscient one, and was the only one to have been and ever been so, from the very beginning or even before the beginning of any or all things."

    Anyway, "that One" is The "Universal Father" and is the highest God, and/but that was not YHWH or Christ, not before the cross anyway... I propose that "together" Christ and YHWH become/became "one" at the cross or right after the cross, and, maybe, "at that time", became just like the "Universal Father God", after that, together, unless of course YHWH and Christ are the same one and/or person...

    But they might have been separate and might have even been opposed to each other in a way or in some or many ways, till they met in the middle somewhere and became "one new man" or "one new God" at, or right after the cross, cause that's where they were reconciled and became "one"...

    (Ephesians 2:14-16)

    For he is our peace, who hath made both (YHWH and Christ) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (YHWH and Christ) (or those of Law and works, ect and those of Grace, Mercy, Love, Forgiveness, ect) (the two sides or ideologies) (some say conflicting) Having abolished (this) in his flesh (in his (Jesus's) "mortal" body) the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man (or God) (New person and/or new personality), so making peace; (between YHWH and Christ) (Between those of Law and Grace, ect) And that he might reconcile both (YHWH an Christ) (or what they each stand for) unto God (The "Universal Father") in one body by the cross, (going to and dying as, or joining as, one new person and dying together at the cross) having slain the enmity thereby (having slain the enmity thereby) (thereby "this", or what was just said)...

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  2. Neogaia777

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    This enmity has been settled between them and each other themselves, for and between themselves, but has not been completely settled with "us" yet, still to this day...

    God Bless!
     
  3. wonderkins

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    This is heresy

    God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit has always been equally one but three separate. They have never been at enmity with each other.
     
  4. Maria Billingsley

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    Big Theology question , simple answer. The Father and the Son are one in the same, God in the Flesh.
     
  5. Tolworth John

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    You have not proved this, just made a statement. So either provide your evidence or retract.

    Jesus never claimed that while he was fully man he also had all knowledge.
    So again you have not proved your claim.
     
  6. Neogaia777

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    Trust me, it' true... (found out after many other threads and covering a lot of ground on this) and it is only deductive logic and/or reasoning from there or from that point, so, deal with it...

    If you cannot handle the truth, that's not my problem...

    God Bless!
     
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  7. Radagast

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    False and, in my opinion, blasphemous.

    And denying the Trinity is against the CF rules.
     
  8. Neogaia777

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    I'm not denying the trinity, they are the trinity, God (the Father) The Son of God, and the Son of Man... Who are (each) God... Who is/are the trinity...

    The universal Father God, Jesus himself speaks of at times, has always been distant with us humans most especially. He made or has YHWH and/or Jesus to be our God who is/are not distant from us, but are God with us, which we have heard and seen from and interacted with from time to time, but not ever at any time the Universal Father, which is point Jesus himself makes and knew, and tried to tell us about...

    Jesus wove this for us, this mystery, and this is just some of figuring it out... Uncovering it, ect...

    YHWH could be the "Holy Spirit" IDK...? Or they together, Son of God and Son of Man, could have become the Holy Spirit together, or YHWH is the Holy Spirit that was restored to a relationship with us, and was reconciled to us, to now live with us and even be "in us" now, through and by what Jesus did, don't know for sure...

    God Bless!
     
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  9. Neogaia777

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    Jesus did claim to be both Son of God, and Son of Man... But they might have to have had become joined or one together maybe, unless they were always one, or are or were always one in the same person, but if not, they did become so at or by the cross...
     
  10. Neogaia777

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    So, before any of you accuse me of blasphemy or heresy, make sure your not blaming Jesus Christ, for he is the one who (already has) shown/shows us/you/me us all of this, that I am talking about, for those who dig deep enough...

    Jesus knew this and "set this up" long ago, so don't blame me...

    God Bless!
     
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  11. Neogaia777

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    This is part of a divine mystery, and not to mention very beautiful and very glorious love story, which is what I'm hoping some of you will see... Anyway, this is part of a divine mystery, that many of you just might not be ready for yet, and for that, I apologize...

    God Bless!
     
  12. Neogaia777

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    All three are God, and are just as much God as the other, however, only one of them, was "always truly always 100% completely and totally 100% fully omniscient from the very beginning, or from before the very beginning." And that "one" was and is the most distant one or the (true) Father, or Universal Father God, because, in fact, that "aspect of Him" would make Him (to be) (necessitate Him to be) more "distant" than the others, which is what He has them for (as God to us, for us, that is not so distant) (that is able to been seen, touched, heard, ect, by us)...

    God Bless!
     
  13. Neogaia777

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    Search the scriptures, and you will find all I am saying to 100% true...

    God Bless!
     
  14. Neogaia777

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    Both may have fully submitted to each other, one another, or one for other, at the cross, dying, being reborn and resurrected together as "One" at and/or after the cross (this part is theory right now) but, if that were the case, It's a very beautiful story...

    Ascended to the Father, but the Holy Spirit (at least) still here with us, and now in us, and reconciled to us, by what was done by Jesus Christ (and YHWH)... And "it is/was finished"... No more enmity... No more war, conflict, ect...

    Wonderful story... If this part (but not what I have spoken prior to this) is true...

    God Bless!
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    Jesus was born not only "of the", but "with", the "Holy Spirit in him", it was the "other side of him", probably or maybe who he talked to and/or with maybe, I just wonder if there was any ever conflict or disagreement or any kind of "friction" of any kind of ever, in or/and throughout his life ever..." If it was necessary for him/it at all (the Holy Spirit) to test him in any way ever...?

    God Bless!
     
  16. Neogaia777

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    Another problem is full omniscience from the beginning would not only necessitate "distance", it would also prevent Him from His showing you/us, (maybe even angels, who knows), His "heart"... His feelings His emotions, that are, the best way for us to understand it/them, is "past tense" maybe "way past tense" for Him, but are still a vital part of him, a part we very much need to know and understand...

    All would also "go the way he designed or orchestrated them to go", from the very beginning, or of first setting "anything" in motion, and/or giving it "life"... He would "start it", set it in motion, and/or give it life, and step back, and stay back till maybe one certain point and/or time in the future, where he might come in and/or show himself to us, do something, ect... But, for the most part and especially from the beginning and up to that point, there would be very little if/and no interfering or any interference from him, up until that point or until that time...

    To show us "everything else" what he could or cannot show us from there (where he is at), he has "the other", or "the others", (other two of the trinity)... They are just as much God as he is, and only they can show us Him, for there is no other way to know Him but only "through them"... They can show us his heart, or those feelings and emotions he has that are still a vital part of himself... There is no other way to know anything about that except through them...

    And I don't think he is going to let us know (by) any other way either, even if there was one...

    God Bless!
     
  17. Neogaia777

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    "IT IS (was) FINISHED"

    And I, for one, fully believe that...

    Were only uncovering what was done...

    God Bless!
     
  18. wonderkins

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    The Ephesians verses you quoted are simply saying that the saved are made one with christ.

    It absolutely does not say that the Father and the Son were separated or at enmity with each other.
     
  19. Neogaia777

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    They are, but/cause that's not what I'm saying (that it is or would be otherwise)...

    That's not what I'm saying...

    But, I'm not gonna try to explain it/that right now, K...?

    God Bless!
     
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  20. Neogaia777

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    "Made in Himself (Christ) one "New Man" or person, or personality"... Now, I am open to the idea that that or it does, or maybe even needs to happen, through and by or with us maybe... Because if that is the case, it worked, for a while anyway, at Pentecost, when they were all of "one mind and one accord" and the Holy Spirit fell (upon them) at that time... It wasn't until later that there came problems and divisions again after that...

    God Bless!
     
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