Old People Should Be Willing To Get The Virus To Help The Economy

[Cimorene]

My mom's Asian pear tree had a pretty good crop this year. I have close to a dozen frozen pouches for the Bundt cake or a German apple loaf cake. Also some frozen setups for orange loaf cake.

I've never had orange loaf cake now I feel deprived.

I hope ppl are ok in Cali. It's scary. Jax said a kid he knows is hospitalized for coronavirus it is going around so fast. Another kid there died today.They closed all the skate parks now.

 

[Kentonio]

 

[TLK Valentine]

I have no words. See below from the LT Governor of Texas (from Yahoo).

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) seems to think that if given the choice, Americans 70 and over would be willing to risk getting coronavirus and possibly dying if it means stores re-open and the economy rebounds.

On Fox News Monday night, Patrick lamented not being asked how he would balance protecting some of the people most at-risk for contracting coronavirus — adults 65 and over — while keeping businesses up and running. "No one reached out to me and said, as a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?" he said. "If that's the exchange, I'm all in."

The 69-year-old kept going, saying that "those of us who are 70 plus, we'll take care of ourselves, but don't sacrifice the country." This declaration "doesn't make me noble or brave or anything like that," Patrick said, "I just think there's lots of grandparents out there like me ... what we all care about and what we love more than anything are those children and I want to live smart and see through this, but I don't want the whole country to be sacrificed, and that's what I see."

Host Tucker Carlson asked Patrick for clarification, wanting to make sure he really was saying that "this disease could take your life, but that's not the scariest thing to you, there's something that would be worse than dying." Patrick paused, possibly realizing that he just volunteered as tribute in The Hunger Games: Coronavirus Edition, then responded, "Yeah."

Remember, boys and girls... the very same people who ten years ago were spreading rumors about Obamacare "death panels" are now asking you to die to preserve their portfolios...

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Which socialists are volunteering to die for your well being?

Now we both know that the post I was replying to didn’t say anything about dying:

“You can be absolutely sure elderly socialists would never do anything for your benefit.”

Why the need to be disingenuous?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Remember, boys and girls... the very same people who ten years ago were spreading rumors about Obamacare "death panels" are now asking you to die to preserve their portfolios...

And the conservatives scream “Oh yeah... well... Obama!”

 

[grasping the after wind]

Now we both know that the post I was replying to didn’t say anything about dying:

“You can be absolutely sure elderly socialists would never do anything for your benefit.”

Why the need to be disingenuous?

If elderly conservatives want to sacrifice themselves for my benefit, who am I to complain...

You can be absolutely sure elderly socialists would never do anything for your benefit.

" Odd, I see the exact opposite happening in my life..."

Which socialists are volunteering to die for your well being?

OK Let's just forget that you were responding to my response etc. in line from a a post by you that included you being willing to accept a Conservative dying for your sake in a threads that is about someone saying they would be willing to die for the well being of others. So I won't ask you which elderly socialists would die for your sake . Instead let me ask a question that pertains only to the reply to my post
"You can be absolutely sure elderly socialists would never do anything for your benefit."

which was

" Odd, I see the exact opposite happening in my life..." that would be

Which elderly socialists are you absolutely sure has done everything for your benefit?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Remember, boys and girls... the very same people who ten years ago were spreading rumors about Obamacare "death panels" are now asking you to die to preserve their portfolios...

Who has asked anyone to die? ToddNotTodd has said he would be willing to accept an elderly conservative dying for him but he hasn't asked them to.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Who has asked anyone to die? ToddNotTodd has said he would be willing to accept an elderly conservative dying for him but he hasn't asked them to.

Read any good OPs lately?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Read any good OPs lately?

Obviously some of us have only read the misleading headline.

 

[camille70]

Donald J. Trump on Twitter

 

[timothyu]

A man stands before God and God asks for what did you die. The man answers 'the economy'. His response? I never knew you.

 

[grasping the after wind]

A man stands before God and God asks for what did you die. The man answers 'the economy'. His response? I never knew you.

"I gave up my life for the sake of the well being of others" would be more likely the way the LT governor actually would answer that question . If advocating that the government give money to the relatively poor is an act of loving one's neighbor, then being willing to give up one's life so others won't become destitute is IMO even more loving.

 

[timothyu]

then being willing to give up one's life so others won't become destitute is IMO even more loving.

How will that benefit others and restore the economy? Those with stocks in caskets perhaps. Will one less senior leave more TP for others?

 

[TLK Valentine]

"I gave up my life for the sake of the well being of others" would be more likely the way the LT governor actually would answer that question .

It's certainly the way he should answer such a question.

If advocating that the government give money to the relatively poor is an act of loving one's neighbor, then being willing to give up one's life so others won't become destitute is IMO even more loving.

And asking others to give up their lives so that you don't become destitute? What's that?

 

[grasping the after wind]

How will that benefit others and restore the economy? Those with stocks in caskets perhaps. Will one less senior leave more TP for others?

As to the last question, if one person less needs TP then there will obviously be more for others. That is the easiest question I have had to answer in a ling time.

I am not the LT governor you would have to ask him exactly what he thinks and why he thinks it, to be certain but I am pretty sure he would not put things the way you did in that previous post when he came to the pearly gates. I can only speculate on what I think he believes. My speculation is that he believes he and many like him are willing to take the risk of allowing the less vulnerable to return to work thereby giving the elderly an increased risk of death with the tradeoff being staving off a depression and staving off the huge increase in the government debt we are about to enter into. He may well consider that combination of debt and depression would likely cause more harm over many years than the amount of harm caused solely by the temporary covid-19 crisis. I have no idea if that is exactly what he thinks and I do not take that position myself as I cannot tell you I can predict the future. I just thought your consigning the man to hell for something he believes to be in the best interest of others was a bit harsh.

 

[grasping the after wind]

And asking others to give up their lives so that you don't become destitute? What's that?

That would be Socialism.

 

[timothyu]

but I am pretty sure he would not put things the way you did in that previous post when he came to the pearly gates.

Of course not. He's a politician.

I just thought your consigning the man to hell for something he believes to be in the best interest of others was a bit harsh.

I'm not the one putting the kingdoms of man ahead of the Kingdom of God. Were he suggesting dying for some noble cause perhaps, but not the economy or systems of man.

 

[timothyu]

That would be Socialism.

So you are saying the military-industrial complex is socialist?

 

[TLK Valentine]

That would be Socialism.

Really? Having the wealthy and powerful tell you that your life is worth less than theirs, and that you need to die so that they don't lose any more money?

Sounds pretty free-market to me...

 

[Bobber]

Certainly. By all accounts, COVID-19 is very unlikely to be fatal for young people. But they are not immune. The logic of the Texas LT Gov seems to be, let's just go back to work and many old people will be happy to die for the sake of the young. But some of the young will also perish, especially if the curve isn't flattened (because of the increased contact and transmission) making health systems overwhelmed sooner rather than later.

I don't think there's any good answer to any of this. It might be that the leadership of some states do step out with decisions different than others. There would be pros and cons to both scenarios. Being pro-active on either plan won't be without producing problems.