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OLD COVENANT SHADOWS POINTING TO THE NEW

Discussion in 'Covenant Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Apr 10, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    THE NEW COVENANT REPLACES THE OLD

    What does the new Covenant REPLACE in the OLD COVENANT? Sola Scriptura...

    KEY SCRIPTURE COL 2:11-17

    COLOSIANS 2
    [11], In whom also you are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:[12], Buried with him in baptism, in which also you are risen with him through the faith of the working of God, who has raised him from the dead. [13], And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [14],Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [15], And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. [16], Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17], Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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    LINKING THE OLD WITH THE NEW

    V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

    FORTOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….

    DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

    JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

    DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

    NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

    ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
    1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

    This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…
    HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the OLD COVENANT that are REPLACED CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14

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    WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT?

    The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin offerings for the SNACTUARY PRIESTHOOD.

    EXODUS 34
    [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the ten commandments.

    EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.
    CONCLUSION; Two sets of LAWS made up the OLD COVENANT. These included 1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC BOOK of laws and ORDINACNES for remission of SIN.

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    THE OLD IS REPLACED BY THE NEW

    COLOSIANS 2 [14],
    Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE
    14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES< G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLIESIASTICAL laws >that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 is in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

    V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA mean ing THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant

    What is being REPLACED in the NEW COVANANT is the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws and ORDINANCES

    This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). The chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS and ORDINANCES OF the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

    ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

    DEUT 31 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

    DEUT 29 [21]
    And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

    (See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

    CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CIVIL CEREMONIAL AND ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

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    THE OLD COVENANT POINTING TO THE NEW

    HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

    HEBREWS 10 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

    EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

    The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

    EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

    HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

    Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

    NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

    JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

    NUMBERS 18 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ and God's LAW written on the heart in those who BELIEVE the WORD of GOD. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

    ROMANS 3 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

    ZECHARIAH 9 [9]
    Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water
    Verse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

    HEBREWS 12
    [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    New covenant... blood

    LUKE 22
    [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

    Where is all this leading? The NEW COVENANT of course...

    JEREMIAH [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    2 CORINTHIANS 3
    [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

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    OVERALL CONCLUSION;
    Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is.

    The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE.

    NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices and FORGIVENESS OF SIN and DELIVERANCE from the PENALTY of SIN through FAITH in CHRIST and the BLOOD of the NEW COVENANT.
     
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  2. Doug Melven

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    The law reminds us of our sin. God does not want us to be conscious of our sins.
    He wants us to be conscious of Christ and His finished work.
    Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, andnot the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

    And you missed one shadow. The Sabbath itself. Sabbath means rest. We are to rest in Christ. Hebrews 4
     
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    The answer to your question deppends on how you want to define the word new.

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  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi Doug nice to see you again,

    If God did not want us to be conscious of SIN then he would not have given us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is...

    ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    It is God's LAW that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven by FAITH (Galatains 3:24-25). They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance (Matthew 9:12-13).

    Indeed the key is in what you have highlighted (ONCE PURGED/FORGIVEN) God's LAW through the KNOWLEDGE of SIN leads us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN (purged) by FATIH.

    * If you have NO KNOWLEDGE if SIN you have do not KNOW you are a SINNER.
    * If you do not KNOW you are a SINNER you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOR.
    * If you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOR you have NO SALVATION.
    * If you have NO SALVATION you are LOST because you are still in your SINS.

    This is the purpose of God's LAW it brings us to our Savior. They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice (Matthew 9:12)

    Some questions you need to answer that disagree with you...

    1. How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW when it is not a part of the SHADOW laws and a part of the FINISHED work of creation BEFORE SIN entered the world and BEFORE God's plan of salvation?

    2. Where in God's WORD does it say Jesus is a SABBATH when God's WORD says the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week and Jesus is the LORD of it?
     
  5. Doug Melven

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    Remember the 2 trees in the Garden?
    The Tree of Life
    The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
    The one gives life.
    The other one gives knowledge of good and evil.
    God said not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, penalty was death.
    Did God want them to know what good and evil was? Yes, but not through the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
    The 10 Commandments give knowledge of good and evil. When God Himself should be our Teacher.
    I never said the law didn't serve a purpose. You stated that purpose quite eloquently.
    But, those who are in Christ will be taught of God, not tablets of stone.
    Who says it is not a part of the shadow laws?
    In Colossians 2:16 it talks about Sabbath days.
    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Where in that verse does it say the weekly Sabbath is excluded?
    Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
    4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Both of these verses are referring to the Sabbath.
    Hebrews 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
    4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
    4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
    4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
    4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

    David was in the promised land and he had the weekly Sabbath, and he still talks about a rest for God's people.
    Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30 that He would give us rest.
     
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  6. LoveGodsWord

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    COL 2 is about the laws and ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT not the 10 Commandments (see OP COL 2:11-17).

    The SABBATH(S) being spoken about here in v16-17 are not God's 4th Commandment but the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT (COL 2 11-17).

    These are the special ANNUAL Sabbaths and days of HOLY CONVOCATION connected to the annual festivals that no work was conducted that could fall on any day of the week in Leviticus 23.

    These special SABBATH(S) are the SABBATH(S) in the ORDINANCES of the BOOK of MOSES in relation to the ANNUAL Festivals. (The OP shows that COL 2 is referring to the COVENANANT in SHADOWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Not the 10 Commandments written on stone.

    If you would like more scripture on the SHADOW SABBATH(S) CLICK ME HERE.

    SUMMARY: NOPE you have not answered the question which was...

    1. How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW when it is not a part of the SHADOW laws and are a part of the FINISHED work of creation BEFORE SIN entered the world and BEFORE God's plan of salvation?

    Thanks for the scriptures Doug but none of those scriptures say the Jesus is the Sabbath. To come up with that idea you have to read something into the scriptures that are not there.

    CONCLUSION: NOPE you have not answered the question which was...

    2. Where in God's WORD does it say Jesus is a SABBATH when God's WORD says the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week and Jesus is the LORD of it?

    .............

    OVERALL SUMMARY: You have not answered the questions...

    1. How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW when it is not a part of the SHADOW laws and are a part of the FINISHED work of creation BEFORE SIN entered the world and BEFORE God's plan of salvation?

    2.
    Where in God's WORD does it say Jesus is a SABBATH when God's WORD says the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week and Jesus is the LORD of it?

    Thanks for sharing let me know your thoughts and see if you can answer the questions above...
     
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  7. Doug Melven

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    Look in Leviticus 23 for a list of the Sabbaths.
    The first one you find is the Weekly Sabbath.
    So yes, Paul is talking about the weekly Sabbath.

    ]SUMMARY: NOPE you have not answered the question which was...

    How do you take out the weekly Sabbat from Colossians 2:16?
    The Hebrews 4 Scriptures state the Promised land and the Sabbath are the same.
    God spoke of the 7th day in this way. And God rested from all His works.
    And again in this place, They shall not enter my rest.
    And when you look at where "They shall not enter my rest" is at, it is clearly referring to the Promised Land
    See Hebrews 4.
    OVERALL SUMMARY: You have not proved your point.
     
  8. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Doug,

    Thanks for your post, although you have not asked any questions earlier so I am not sure what this post is about. You still have not answered any of the qusetions that have been asked either. If you do not know the answer to the questions let me know and I will share some more scripture with you....

    Before we get back to these questions again let's repond to your post with some detailed scriptures looking at CHAPTER AND SCRIPTURE CONTEXT linking the OLD and NEW Testament scriptures so we can see what COL 2 is discussing....

    You did not ask this question before unless I missed it. Lets. discuss it now though and clear up any confusion here in what you have posted.

    Of course the 4th Commandments is listed in Leviticus 23 because many of the annual festivals went longer then 7 days. This is not the SHADOW SABBATH(S) however from CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE OLD COVENANT that is being discussed in COL 2 as shown in the OP above.

    What COL 2 in the OP here has outlined is that it is the list of ORDINANCES from the Mosiac Book of the COVENANT attached to the Sabbath (SIN Offereings) that where shadows as well as the SPECIAL SABBATH(S) listed in ORDINANCES that were SHADOWS.

    To understand what COL 2 is talking about you need to have some understanding of the OLD COVENANT and the OLD Testament. COL 2 has NO reference to the 10 Commandments. v11-14 state the CONTEXT of 16-17 which is the laws of CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES starting with the example of CIRCOMCISION v11. Then moving on to NEW MOONS, FOOD OFFERINGS, FEAST DAY and SABBATH(S) all of which are tied to the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT in ORDINANCES. COL 2 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments exept for the penalty of breaking them and the doing away with the OLD COVENANTS CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws in ORDINANCES.

    When I referenced Lev 23 I was referring to the ANNUAL SPECIAL CEREMONIAL SABBATH(S) in ORDINANCES and HOLY CONVOCATIONS (rest from work SABBATON) that were the SHADOWS referenced from COL 2

    God's 4th Commandment which is a part of the ETERNAL laws of God is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is NOT what is being referred to in COL 2 as it is a part of God's LAW (10 Commandments).

    CHAPTER, SCRIPTURE CONTEXT OF COL 2:16 LINKING OLD AND NEW

    The GREEK WORD for SABBATH(S) which is SABBATON used in the CONTEXT of COL 2 has many meanings so it depends on the CHAPTER and within SCRIPTURE CONTEXT of how the GREEK what is being used here. CONTEXT within CHAPTER AND SCRIPTURE in connection with the v14-16 is in relation to the CIVIL; CEREMONIAL; ECCLESIASTICAL laws in ORDINANCES v14. In scripture CONTEXT v16 is NEW MOONS; FOOD AND DRINK OFFERINGS FOR SIN, ANNUAL FESTIVALS and SABBATH(S) accoding to CHAPTER CONTEXT are from the CIVIL; CEREMONIAL; ECCLESIASTICAL laws in ORDINANCED from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT v14. (Not the 10 Commandments) v17 which were SHADOWS of things to come.

    IS THE CONTEXT of COL 2:16 found anywhere else in scripture?

    COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

    The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods sabbath day. But what is Col.2{16} really talking about. Let scripture interpret scripture.

    EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and MEAT offerings, and DRINK offerings, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

    Heres a scripture, same exact order as Col.2{16}, meat, drink, holy days (feast days), new moons, sabbaths. No doubt what so ever these 2 scriptures are speaking of the same thing. See how that on those days there was a sin offering made. The blood of Christ is now that offering. Col.2 and Zeke 45 are simply speaking of the meat and drink offerings which were written in the law contained within the ordinances which were to take place on Gods holy days, new moons and His sabbath days.

    HEBREWS 13:9-12 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

    But now we are no longer under the law of Moses concerning the meat and drink offerings of Gods holy days, new moons and the sabbaths. Jesus fulfilled the law. We are now under grace.

    JOHN 6:53-55 [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

    When we let scripture interpret scripture its very clear what Col.2 is speaking about. The meat and drink offerings of those days are no longer to be kept.

    NUMBERS 28:9-10 [9] And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

    Theres the meat and drink offerings for the sabbath days that Col.2 [16] was speaking of.

    EZEKIEL 46:6-7 [6] And in the day of the NEW MOON it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. [7] And he shall prepare a MEAT OFFERING, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

    The meat offering for the new moon that was spoken of in Col.2 [16].

    LEVITICUS 23:4-13 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

    In all the feast days (holy days) meat and drink offerings were written into the laws of commandments contained in the ordinances. The above scripture points out the holy day of passover when Jesus was crucified.

    HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    Once again, the 1st covenant had ordinances which stood only in meat and drinks which were a figure! A shadow!

    EPH.2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    COL. 2 [13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    ISAIAH 24:5-6 [5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

    But in this “Day of the Lord” scripture it seems the many will go on believing what they’ve been taught by their sunday mourning pulpiteers. They will continue to believe the commandments mentioned in Eph.2 are the 10 commandments and not the law of commandments contained in the ordinances

    The “many” claim that the sabbath was the shadow of Christ. But what do the scriptures say

    COL.2 [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

    The handwriting of ORDINANCES {meat and drink offerings} has been blotted out. They were the shadow

    HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

    EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

    Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

    HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

    Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the Sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sense at all

    NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

    Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next offering. No worries no more.

    JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

    We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings{the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.

    COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

    Col.2{16} is used by all sunday mornin denominations so as to rid themselves of Gods sabbath day and His holy days. Its also used to go against Gods laws concerning eating unclean things such as the portly porker. Can their doctrines be found in the scriptures by looking at the followers of the RISEN Christ?

    ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

    Not here either. Paul as his manner was... still keeping the sabbath

    ACTS 10 [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] BUT PETER SAID, NOT SO, LORD; FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANY THING THAT IS COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

    Once again, not here either. Peter refused to eat the unclean thing even after the risen Christ.

    ACTS 10 [28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

    Verse 28 explains the great sheet. No man is now unclean

    JOEL 1 [13] Gird yourselves, and lament, YE PRIESTS: howl, YE MINISTERS of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for THE MEAT OFFERING AND THE DRINK OFFERING IS WITHHOLDEN FROM THE HOUSE OF YOUR GOD. [14] Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, [15] Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

    Don’t look good for some, come the Day of the Lord.

    NUMBERS 18 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.

    Above scripture confirms that the offerings are also called oblations

    ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

    Bring no more vain oblations in the new moons and the sabbath and feast days. WHY? Because Jesus nailed these offerings (oblations) to the cross. The sabbath, the new moons, and holydays (feastdays) were not nailed to the cross nor were the 10 commandments.

    HEBREWS 10 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    Hebrews 10 explains exactly what Isaiah 1 was speaking about. He takes away the 1st covenant {the meat and drink offerings} and established the 2nd covenant {the body of Christ}

    The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

    ZECH.9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water

    Verse 9 definately prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

    HEBREWS 12 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    New covenant...blood

    LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

    New testament...blood

    HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

    HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

    He taketh away the first {covenant}, that he may establish the second.

    JOHN 6 [53] [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

    And theres the 2nd

    MATTHEW 5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law.

    CONCLUSION: God's WORD clearly outlines in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT what is being referred to in COL 2. The very ORDER of v16 in repeated all through the OLD and NEW Testamenet scriptures which are the references to the ODINANCES of SIN OFFERINGS pointing to CHRIST and the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS including the SPECIAL ANNUAL SABBATHS AND HOLY CONVOCATIONS (not 4th Commandment) that were attached to the FESTIVALS

    ...............

    WHAT WERE THE HOLY CONVOCATIONS AND SPECIAL ANNUAL FESTIVAL SABBATH(S) OF COL 2:16

    Let's start with the GREEK meaning for v16 SABBATH(S) which is SABBATON which means;
    σάββατον; sabbaton; sab'-bat-on; Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

    LEVITICUS 23 lists all the days within the ANNUAL FESTIVALS in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that are referred to in COL 2:6 SABBATON which can also include those days of HOLY CONVOCATION that NO WORK was allowed. ALL of which unlike God's 4th Commandment could fall on ANY day of the WEEK.

    2 Chronicles 8
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    Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
    13, Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

    1. The annual ceremonial Sabbath of the law of Moses is a special Sabbath and also uses a different Hebrew Word called meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come COL 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are the Shadow Sabbaths showing the plan of salvation.

    2. God's 4th commandment Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

    The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

    That is the difference between the ceremonial special Sabbaths that are shadows of things to come written in ordinances in the book of Moses and God's 4th commandment which God's Word says is FOREVER.

    CONCLUSION: The ANNUAL Festivals of LEV 23 had days of HOLY CONVOCATION that no work was to be done and SPECIAL ANNUAL CEREMONIAL SABBATH(S) where no work was to be done attached to the Day of Atonement; Feast of Trumpets and the Feats of Booths that could fall on any day of the week. Annual feast days that fell on God's 4th Commandments (SEVENTH DAY) were called High SABBATH days (John 19:31-32 see also wiki linked).

    These all link to SABBATON which also means (in chapter and scripture CONTEXT of COL 2v16) day of weekly repose from secular avocations. Comparing meaning CONTEXT and OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS Scriptures COL 2:16 is NOT referring to God's 4th Commandment.

    It is referring to the days of HOLY CONVOCATION and the CEREMONIAL SABBATH(S) in ORDINANCES that were SHADOWS of things to come and NOT God's 4th Commandment.

    Your question is answered through the WORD of God as COL 2 is NOT referring to God's 4th Commandment. It is referring to the ANNUAL CEREMONIAL SABBATH(S) in ORDINANCES and SHADOWS pointing to Jesus and God's plan of SALVATION as shown in many OLD TESTAMENT scriptures and LEV 23.

    Where does it say that the Promised lands and the Sabbath are the same? Are you reading into Hebrews 4 something that is not there? Happy for you to show me the scripture that says the Sabbath and the promised land are the same I could not find it.

    SUMMARY: You have not proved your point and are reading something into scripture that is not there. If you disagree then please provide the scripture that says God's Sabbath or 4th commandment is the promised land?

    Now that your post has been answered with God's WORD. Could you please answer the following questions....

    1. How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW when it is not a part of the SHADOW laws and are a part of the FINISHED work of creation BEFORE SIN entered the world and BEFORE God's plan of salvation?

    2.
    Where in God's WORD does it say Jesus is a SABBATH when God's WORD says the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week and Jesus is the LORD of it?

    Look forward to hearing from you.


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    I will try again. Why do you not want to discuss the word "new?" It is a vital key in your question.

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  10. LoveGodsWord

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    Sorry BG, I must have missed responding to your post. Yes the OLD leads into the NEW as the OP shows. So this thread is in relation to the OLD and NEW Covenants. You have to understand the OLD and it's SHADOWS in order to understand the NEW and eternal :)
     
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    This is not discussion of the word "new."

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  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi BK not sure what you mean did you want to explain more?
     
  13. bugkiller

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    My post needs explaining? Are you sure? I really think you are looking for a violation.

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    Ok almost a week has gone by and no discussion of the word "new." Why?

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  15. LoveGodsWord

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    You may need to explain yourself and your question better and please provide scripture. Thanks
     
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    You really mean someone needs to show you how to discuss what the word "new" means? I just find that very difficult to believe.

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  17. LoveGodsWord

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    So do you agree or disagree with the OP? Do you have any scripture to share? So far you have not shared any.
     
  18. bugkiller

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    Still nothing on the word "new."

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  19. Doug Melven

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    Is this the "new" you are referring to?
    Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    I hope so this is what the OP is about
     
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