Ocasio-Cortez advisor lied -- money for the unwilling to work

[W2L]

Even letting them starve?

They can work for food like snapp recipients do now

 

[USincognito]

Specify please

The bolded parts are self explanatory. But, if I must, you decry fear mongering in the same sentence that engage in fear mongering by raising the specter of "A Socialist Agenda".

 

[Speedwell]

They can work for food like snapp recipients do now

Doing what? That's the question.

 

[Speedwell]

The bolded parts are self explanatory. But, if I must, you decry fear mongering in the same sentence that engage in fear mongering by raising the specter of "A Socialist Agenda".

Some people think The Socialist Agenda is a real, diabolical entity bent on destroying America. The're trying to warn us about what they see as a real existential threat , not just monger fear.

 

[W2L]

Doing what? That's the question.

Pick up trash, help the elderly by mowing their grass. Im sure there is plenty of work that can be done

 

[Hank77]

This looks like propaganda. Where did AOC actually say that she wants to give money to those unwilling to work for it?

Maybe in a work session when they put together the FAQ that was posted to her website.
You can read it here. The last bullet before "There is no time to waste."
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

This version was removed from her website.

 

[W2L]

Some people think The Socialist Agenda is a real, diabolical entity bent on destroying America. The're trying to warn us about what they see as a real existential threat , not just monger fear.

Same with capitalism

 

[Sparagmos]

The elephant in the room is the fact that there will be fewer jobs in future. The mechanization of farming dis-employed millions, who then were absorbed by the then-labor-intensive industrial economy. Now those jobs are being automated. What's next? Has anybody thought it through? What we need is a new way of distributing the wealth created by an increasingly automated econmy. And yes, that will include some kind of stipend for those who are unemployable.

Automation and technology should mean we can all work less in the future. More time with our families, more time to grow and prepare our own food, more time to create art. But unfortunately the people with the most power don’t want that.

 

[Hank77]

Even letting them starve?

Do you know people who would rather starve or have their children starve, rather than work?

 

[mark46]

This could have been written in 60's, the 70's or any decade thereafter (1984 anyone?)

The reality is that there are more people working in the US today than at any point in our history. Unemployment rates are at the lowest since the 70's.

And yes, the solution to needing fewer workers in the future is for all of us to work less (or fewer years). We don't need to have so many teens in the work force, or so many elders (labor participation rate by elders continues to go up).

HOWEVER, we are a long way from having that problem. We have lots and lots of unfilled jobs. In addition, there would be much more production in agriculture and construction if we only had the workers.

[Yes, there is a side issue that many of those not working cannot pass a drug test].

The elephant in the room is the fact that there will be fewer jobs in future. The mechanization of farming dis-employed millions, who then were absorbed by the then-labor-intensive industrial economy. Now those jobs are being automated. .

 

[Sparagmos]

The left says that our jobs will be gone in the near future. Sounds like fear mongering in order to pass a socialist agenda.

It’s not “the left.” Industry leaders are all talking about automation. Almost none have plans to retrain or continue to employ the people who will be replaced by machines and robots. I represent workers in the service industry and we are already aware of employers’ long term plans to automate service jobs.

 

[Hank77]

Would you have them do make-work jobs?

I would have them do work that is helpful to others and our planet. There are elderly people who need people to help them take care of their yards and keep up their housework, wash windows, etc. I'm sure that all of us could come up with jobs and people who are currently neglected because of lack of funding, either private or public.

How many jobs are being done by temporary visa worker's? Millions.....

 

[Hank77]

I represent workers in the service industry and we are already aware of employers’ long term plans to automate service jobs.

Which service jobs? Please name a few.

 

[W2L]

It’s not “the left.” Industry leaders are all talking about automation. Almost none have plans to retrain or continue to employ the people who will be replaced by machines and robots. I represent workers in the service industry and we are already aware of employers’ long term plans to automate service jobs.

Meanwhile skilled trades such as carpentry are suffering a lack of workers, not a lack of work, because too many people are going to college instead of taking up a trade..

 

[mark46]

It might follow that the college educated can't fin work. This simply isn't true. Their unemployment rate is as low as it can get, about 2%, the number of folks moving from one job to another.

HOWEVER, you are correct that we need more people trained in the trades. We need much more voc-tech schools and training. This would help those unemployed and those who are not even looking for work. Finally, this would help those in unskilled jobs who might want to find better jobs. BTW, there are many, many such programs in lots of fields, We just need lots more. I would point out that we would then need to find more workers (that is already a problem). We could automate more. We could allow more immigrants to come into the country.

Meanwhile skilled trades such as carpentry are suffering a lack of workers, not a lack of work, because too many people are going to college instead of taking up a trade..

 

[Speedwell]

Same with capitalism

Wrong. Capitalism is a powerful economic engine. Corporate capitalism, as a human invention, was perhaps as much responsible for the success of the industrial revolution as the invention of the steam engine. Capitalism, coupled with free markets, sustains our prosperity today. Without the wealth it generates, it would not even be possible to contemplate paying stipends to redundant workers.

 

[Sparagmos]

Which service jobs? Please name a few.

Cooks, bartenders, hotel housekeepers, room service delivery servers. I mostly represent hotel workers so I’m more familiar with the plans for that industry. And even 5 years ago I never thought those jobs could be automated.

 

[W2L]

Wrong. Capitalism is a powerful economic engine. Corporate capitalism, as a human invention, was perhaps as much responsible for the success of the industrial revolution as the invention of the steam engine. Capitalism, coupled with free markets, sustains our prosperity today. Without the wealth it generates, it would not even be possible to contemplate paying stipends to redundant workers.

Sorry, i misunderstood your comment.

 

[childeye 2]

Maybe in a work session when they put together the FAQ that was posted to her website.
You can read it here. The last bullet before "There is no time to waste."
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

This version was removed from her website.

"Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work". "Economic security" does not equate to handing people money, and "unwilling to work" could easily pertain to a spouse being able to stay home and raise children.

If this is what the thread is alluding to, then they are simply putting forth innuendo.

 

[W2L]

It might follow that the college educated can't fin work. This simply isn't true.

The worker shortage in skilled trades is real.