Obama Calls Catholic Schools "Divisive"

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Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

He said:

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation.”

I'm so excited to see how people defend this one....

(Sorry if this was posted already; didn't see it.)
 

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First of all the headline on this thread is misleading and, frankly, wrong.

Secondly, he has a point.

If a community lives in separate worlds then the community doesn't actually exist does it ?

This is the cross of Northern Ireland (heck, Ireland generally).

It is also the basis for and the reasoning used by the supporters of , Jim Crow and the whole "separate but equal" myth.

People are going to bash Obama on this for any number of political, social, tea partyin' reasons.

But it they do it's because they are either: Looking for any reason to bash the President

or

in denial about about just what living separately does to communities.

and

I'll be bashed to for the same reasons.
 
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No, what the president said is right. What I wonder is, what's wrong with that? When Catholics came to America, they naturally congregated in Catholic-Irish, Catholic-German, and Catholic-Italian communities. Some of that was forced, but some was natural. It's the same with immigrants today-they tend to congregate among their own, and live that way. That's why there's Irish, Italian, Hispanic and German neighborhoods in many cities. Some, like where I live, emphasize it. There's Chinatown, Japan Town, North Beach, and so on. All of them have upper, middle and lower class living places. Again, there's nothing wrong with that, unless when they meet each other, there's stigma or ostricization. In Northern Ireland, this manifests in religion-there's Catholic neighborhoods and Protestants. The difference is that when they meet, sometimes there's violence.

Frankly, I don't think it's the President of the US's place to criticize other countries living arrangements.
 
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Then I guess he must also dislike Muslim schools, Jewish schools, specialised music schools, Hindu schools, Buddhist schools, Sikh schools... Oh, AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS of any kind.

I didn't read the article so my comment is not on the president, but many Democrats do dislike private schools. Many of the arguments against school voucher systems are grounded on the belief that the public school system is best for democracy and that private schools must necessarily be the minority.
 
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Is this quote cited on a more credible source? I've never heard of "Bizpacreview".

Also, whoever really said that, I can see it's merit. They didn't single out Catholics per se, but the speaker is noting a legitimate division in places where maybe there doesn't need to be. I understand the concern over what our children are taught, but I know of people who subscribe to one particular tradition who send their children to a school that belongs to another. I mean, when we get down to the nuts and bolts, if we're clear on our faith, do we really need separation at that level?
 
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Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

He said:



I'm so excited to see how people defend this one....

(Sorry if this was posted already; didn't see it.)


There is nothing divisive about Catholic schools. Hey, didn't Obama go to one at one point in his most foreign life? My kids went to a Catholic school when we lived in St. Louis, but that didn't stop us for being friends with Baptists, from whom we rented. I did not, nor will ever, not talk to someone just because he/she is not Catholic and I went to Catholic schools for 12 years. We didn't have kindergarten way back when.

Obama needs to quit spewing his vitriolic hateful speech that keeps pouring out of his throat.

He has been the very worst president we have had in my life, and that includes Nixon.

There is nothing about Catholic schools even in Ireland that are divisive. It was not the Catholics who invaded Ireland and demanded that Ireland be part of Great Britain. It was not the Catholics who denied any acceptance of Protestantism in their society. It was not the Catholics who said Protestants couldn't hold office. It wasn't the Catholics who said the Protestants could only eat potatoes and then when the potato famine came, it was not the Protestants who fled because they were starving.

I wish Obama knew something about history. He doesn't even know how many states are in the country he is the leader of.

And that is my $.02.

Janice
 
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Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

He said: “If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation.”

I'm so excited to see how people defend this one....

(Sorry if this was posted already; didn't see it.)

Well, first off, we don't know the context of what he said; this is just a selected snippet from an obviously much longer speech.

But, just taking what we have, he's correct that if there is hostility between neighbors, that can cause division. However, each faith having its own facilities is not divisive; it's only if there's hostility against each other along with the seperate facilities that is divisive.

We had Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and secularists that all got along quite well in the last century, even though they all differed in belief and they all had their seperate facilties. It's only since this artificial politically-correct tolerance garbage got started that everybody has been at each other's throats.

If a community lives in separate worlds then the community doesn't actually exist does it ?

This is the cross of Northern Ireland (heck, Ireland generally).

Well, the situation in Northern Ireland is really more than just religion; it's more of a tribal conflict, to be honest. Cromwell brought over Scottish Presbyterians and gave them the land he stole from the Catholic Irish. There is no love lost between the British and the Irish, and religion just happens to be a small segment----or even a convenient excuse!----for the enmity between the two. In some cases, religion plays a very small part, if any role at all; the Provisional IRA, if I recall correctly, was primarily made up of Marxists.

People are going to bash Obama on this for any number of political, social, tea partyin' reasons.

But it they do it's because they are either: Looking for any reason to bash the President

Heck, Charlie, I don't have to look for reasons to bash Obama----every time he opens his mouth, he gives me plenty of reasons, all for free. I don't have to do a thing---he hands me reasons to bash him.

Primarily because he's an idiot, but what can I say?

President Obama's daughters attend Quaker school.

He's not a Quaker, and neither are his daughters, but it's the typical liberal elitist double standard of "do as I say, not as I do, because I know what's best for you".

If he really believed all the bilge he vomits out, he'd be sending his daughters to the D.C. public schools down in the 'hood. You ain't gonna see that happen any time soon.
 
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The story is a missing context. Everyone here knoiws I am not an Obama supporter.
In Northern ireland the schools are segregated by religion.

For years the Catholics were discriminated against in jobs, housing and by the police.
The Irish Catholics fought a long war against the British and their proxies Protestant Loyalist.

The IRA and their political Wing Sinn Fein (We ourselves) fought the British to a stand still and the Brits were brought to the negotiating table , prompted by the US, which resulted in the "Good Friday Agreement" whic was basically power sharing.

But the sectarian divide and class warfare is never going to end, if the schools and children remain segregated.

Obama was addressing this. The media has no idea of the context.
 
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*sigh*

And I was right.

Oh, and Charlie, the attacks aimed at me were not really appropriate. Just because I don't agree with you on issues doesn't mean I'm some redneck tea partyin' hick that sits around and tries to come up with ways to bash Obama.

*shakes head and leaves*
 
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First of all the headline on this thread is misleading and, frankly, wrong.

Secondly, he has a point.

If a community lives in separate worlds then the community doesn't actually exist does it ?

This is the cross of Northern Ireland (heck, Ireland generally).

It is also the basis for and the reasoning used by the supporters of , Jim Crow and the whole "separate but equal" myth.

People are going to bash Obama on this for any number of political, social, tea partyin' reasons.

But it they do it's because they are either: Looking for any reason to bash the President

or

in denial about about just what living separately does to communities.

and

I'll be bashed to for the same reasons.
Tell ya what - how about Obama bash Protestants for not following the ancient teachings and then tell them to believe as we do - and the separation wouldnt exist. :thumbsup:

Sounds right to me.

But wait - that isnt going to happen. So if the Protestant family has their own beliefs and Catholics have theirs - there is nothing wrong with sending your kids to school based on what you want them to be taught.

Or doesnt that make sense?

How can Obama be defended for putting his nose somewhere it doesnt belong?

O wait - he's used to doing that - he taps into privacy all the time - so this might be an extension to that meddling problem he has.
 
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Obama made what is described as “an alarming call for an end to Catholic education,” in spite of the fact that it is considered “a critical component of the Church.”
I tend to believe Obama made this comment - and its pretty straight forward suggesting it is Catholics being divisive.
Who the heck is he to say Catholic education should end?

In front of an audience of about 2,000 young people, including many Catholics, Obama claimed that Catholic education divides people and blocks peace, according to the Scottish Catholic Observer.
Its as obvious as the meddling nose on his face he has no business even addressing this topic. He's not the world's leader and he doesnt have the position to be telling Catholic schools to end.

Am i the only one who can see how dang wrong he is for getting into the topic?

Obviously not....see the Pope's thots.


“Pope Francis,” tells Newsmax that the president should have chosen his words more carefully and he pointed to the contribution that Catholic education has made to bringing about the 15-year-old peace in the once troubled region.
 
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*sigh*

And I was right.

Oh, and Charlie, the attacks aimed at me were not really appropriate. Just because I don't agree with you on issues doesn't mean I'm some redneck tea partyin' hick that sits around and tries to come up with ways to bash Obama.

*shakes head and leaves*

1) I had no clue you were/are/had been a member of the tea party.

2) I had no one particularly in mind when I wrote the post, only the images of tea partyers with their doctored images of President Obama as Hitler/voodoo witch doctor/Kenyan slurs, etc. Oh, and, to be honest, Sarah Palin's 2008 "let's gin up some lynch mobs" Vice Presidential tour.
3) I don't actually remember addressing you in the post. Only the headline, which appears to me to be wrong.

So, sorry about your dismay, but I really wasn't addressing you personally.
 
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President Obama Criticizes Catholic Education

here is another source for the story


this makes sense
Catholics have spoken out against Obama, especially the Bishops
he wants to break any type of socialization that the Catholic Church might be able to have on people
rather then people knowing doctrine and the teachings of the ancient faith, he wants Catholics with some vague idea of social justice and nothing else in their heads
 
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In a country such as Northern Ireland which has a long history of religious division and hatred, what better way to stem the tide of that hatred than to have children learn together from an early age, forming friendships and seeing how foolish religious hatred is?

While desegregated schools have not been an unmitigated success in the South, there is much less inequality and racial hatred than there was in the 1960's.

The President's observation about religious schools in Northern Ireland is correct--while they may not be teaching division, they are separating Catholic and Protestant children at a time of their lives when they are young, innocent, and ready to break down the barriers that divide their parents.
 
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