Obama Administration to Severely Wounded Vets: Suicide is Painless!

[AMDG]

It is already law that ERs treat people. The Hill-Burton Act (if a hospital accepts federal money, it has to provide care to the poor) is also available for people in need (I know, my children have received care under the act.) Then there is the fact that millions of folks are already eligible for many health programs (Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP) but haven't applied. Oh, I also believe that a few pharmaceutical companies that have programs where medications are provided for those that qualify. That's besides the free clinics already mentioned.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It is already law that ERs treat people. The Hill-Burton Act (if a hospital accepts federal money, it has to provide care to the poor) is also available for people in need (I know, my children have received care under the act.) Then there is the fact that millions of folks are already eligible for many health programs (Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP) but haven't applied. Oh, I also believe that a few pharmaceutical companies that have programs where medications are provided for those that qualify. That's besides the free clinics already mentioned.

Have you ever been to an ER, without insurance?

Many people, just aren't bothering.

Jim

 

[AMDG]

Have you ever been to an ER, without insurance?

Many people, just aren't bothering.

That's a shame, since I have heard that many would automatically be signed up for the programs that would provide health care.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

That's a shame, since I have heard that many would automatically be signed up for the programs that would provide health care.

What you have heard is misinformation.

If you show up at an ER, without insurance. Unless you can't breath, or are bleeding to death, you'll wait, and will be taken in between those who
have insurance, or until they're seen.

You be examined but if you have needs other than emergency, they'll merely refer you to the free clinics or doctors that will see you. This could take months and require you to travel distances. Most of these clinics are regional and only come around once or twice a year, and its on a first come first serve basis, and they can only see a certain number of people.

At the two free-clinics that I saw on the news over the past couple weeks, most of the people were those who were in their 50's, who lost
their jobs, and their unemployment benefits ran out. They ware left with no insurance, yet, many had diabetes, high-blood pressure and other issues. One woman, hasn't had a mammogram in 2 years. If she were to have cancer, an ER would not treat her.

This is the reality in America, while the insured remain in denial and apathetic, while they fight against any change from the government.

The result of all the misinformation that the conservatives have put out, going back to Hillary Care, is that we're now going to end up with a health-care package, that will be written for private insurance companies.

We'll have mandatory health insurance, with no government option. Those who can't afford insurance, will end up with a costly private insurance provider.

Look for having your insurance benefit that you receive from your employer, to be taxed, as Sen John McCain wanted.

Jim

 

[Fantine]

If an ER takes you in and doesn't demand money up front, they will still bill you and hound you through their own collection agencies.

They haven't gotten to the point where they'll take one of your kidneys and sell it to get their bill paid

But they could rob you of your peace of mind, raise your blood pressure, give you panic attacks, and drive you to filing for bankruptcy.

You act as though people go to emergency rooms, say they have no insurance, get treated, and never hear from the hospitals again. How naive.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

As Fantine pointed out, while emergency rooms will treat anyone in an emergency, they will still bill people. Going to the emergency room for many people means going from just getting by to financial meltdown even in the least cost scenario. This means that if they have any doubt about whether they need the emergency room, they will wait.

 

[AMDG]

Waits are normal when there is high demand. You think you are going to get better? Sorry, think again. Especially when less doctors are going to have to treat more patients--that's only common sense.

My gosh, look at the free Indian care (had a friend told to drive fify miles to a center when she was in labor with a high risk pregnancy--and her labor wouldn't even allot that time), the free military care (even officer friends were told that they had to be 40 yrs old in order to "qualify" for their first mammogram even when we see hospital vans going through neighborhoods offering them to others), listen to JoabAnias' problems with the VA, look about the problems with the VA trying to pressure folks to decide whether their life is "worth" the expense the government will have to pay out. That is what is in store for folks when care is taken away for the majority for the few that can already get some sort of basic care.

 

[benedictaoo]

We actually have the best medical care in the world here in the USA.. People from here don't go to England or France or even to Canada for their health care, but, people from other countries DO come to America for medical treatment.

Well, Farrah Fawcett did go to Germany. So did Al Copland (a local business tycoon who founded Popeye's fried chicken). However, they both died.

 

[benedictaoo]

What you have heard is misinformation.

If you show up at an ER, without insurance. Unless you can't breath, or are bleeding to death, you'll wait, and will be taken in between those who
have insurance, or until they're seen.

You be examined but if you have needs other than emergency, they'll merely refer you to the free clinics or doctors that will see you. This could take months and require you to travel distances. Most of these clinics are regional and only come around once or twice a year, and its on a first come first serve basis, and they can only see a certain number of people.

At the two free-clinics that I saw on the news over the past couple weeks, most of the people were those who were in their 50's, who lost
their jobs, and their unemployment benefits ran out. They ware left with no insurance, yet, many had diabetes, high-blood pressure and other issues. One woman, hasn't had a mammogram in 2 years. If she were to have cancer, an ER would not treat her.

This is the reality in America, while the insured remain in denial and apathetic, while they fight against any change from the government.

The result of all the misinformation that the conservatives have put out, going back to Hillary Care, is that we're now going to end up with a health-care package, that will be written for private insurance companies.

We'll have mandatory health insurance, with no government option. Those who can't afford insurance, will end up with a costly private insurance provider.

Look for having your insurance benefit that you receive from your employer, to be taxed, as Sen John McCain wanted.

Jim

No, Jim this is misinformation. My son just got out of the hospital... he's 20 now and not in school, so he has no coverage. He did not experience any of what you said. They treated him like gold and not only did a Internist see him, but a specialist did as well just to make sure the Internist wasn't missing anything.

i haven't gotten a bill yet and I will it the floor when i do, I'm sure, since they ran MRI tests on him and did all kind of other tests.

he wasn't short changed in the least but now that he's out, I have to get him on a plan so he can follow up because his free ride is over now.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No, Jim this is misinformation. My son just got out of the hospital... he's 20 now and not in school, so he has no coverage. He did not experience any of what you said. They treated him like gold and not only did a Internist see him, but a specialist did as well just to make sure the Internist wasn't missing anything.

i haven't gotten a bill yet and I will it the floor when i do, I'm sure, since they ran MRI tests on him and did all kind of other tests.

he wasn't short changed in the least but now that he's out, I have to get him on a plan so he can follow up because his free ride is over now.

Thats because, being 20, he's still a minor and you are responsible for him.

BTW, if you don't pay the bill, they'll put a lean on your house. I've been through this with hospitals, even with insurance. They can be as crooked as the insurance companies themselves.

But, you'll have to go to the link I posted, to see why people ended up at the free clinic, if they could've just went to the ER for the exams they needed.

Jim

 

[bliz]

If you try to call them they don't answer or have voice mail. Friday when the Niacin showed up that I know I can't take because in 05 when I tried it the first time I turned into a lobster and burned up on it and they had to take me off it, it was the last straw, and I had to resort to sending a Fax for the Dr. to call me that I am still waiting for. If I don't hear from her Monday or Tuesday I am going up the chain. Still in the meantime I am not getting proper treatment.

Just thought of this this morning... Do you know if you took a "no flush" or "flush free" niacin or regular? What you experienced may have been a terrible "flush" that effects many people who take Niacin.

 

[CaDan]

Thought about that, but there is a problem with that IMO. No where is that mentioned.

Think harder. Maybe even do some research. The business of insurance is interstate commerce. United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters.

And as far as General Welfare, how can it be General Welfare to increase the deficit (up 2 trillion to 9 trillion) while pressuring vets to "do the right thing" by making room for someone else's medical care as that booklet seems to do.

Under military discipline, commanders can line up their troops to die.

 

[JoabAnias]

Just thought of this this morning... Do you know if you took a "no flush" or "flush free" niacin or regular? What you experienced may have been a terrible "flush" that effects many people who take Niacin.

I think I tried both 4-5 years ago. No difference with either type. They both burned me up. I stuck with it long enough to see if there would be any improvements in the triglyceride levels though. About 3-4 months of burning up and there was no change at all. It was ineffective. I was eating balanced meals and doing military PT 3 times a week too. I got sick of everyone asking me why I was red all day long too.

Besides, its irrelevant now, the Dr. called this morning and is now sending the right (all be it generic) stuff. Gemfibrosil rather than Tricor but at least I know that will work.

 

[JoabAnias]

JoabAnias,
well for my father, the VA doc's have actually been better than the others. One doc wanted to do surgery on my dad. When the VA doc heard about it from my mother, he called the doctor immediately to stop the surgery. Because of my father's condition, the operation would've made his condition worse. The surgeon agreed with the VA doc.

As far as your cholesterol, I blew my numbers of the charts, 8 weeks ago. This is the first time for me, but I knew I was way off my diet, eating fried clams and drinking B&B on the rocks. Plus, I took the test right after Father's day.

My doc wanted to put me on meds, but I told him I want to try changing my diet first. He agreed. That was 8 weeks ago. I went on the Atkins diet, and have lost 15 lbs and 2.5 inches off my waist. I'm going for my blood test Friday, I'll let you know how it works out.

FYI, hi-carb, low fat diets, are a disaster, when it comes to treating cholesterol and blood sugar.

Jim

I know brother. My overall experience with the VA is as good as private doctors.

Its just this new PCP acting snotty and the delays that were trying my patience I suppose. Patience not being one of my better virtues to start with. The Detroit VA is massive. It has 3 seven story structures just for parking garages and 3 huge intake firms. Thats a big change from my local Dr.s office who I liked very much.

I did atkins back in 2000. I lost 10 lbs in the first week! Once you get into keytosis it works great! I found all the protien a bit hard on my digestive system but it was well worth it.

I have never been able to bring down the LDL's or expecially the Try's with diet and exercise alone. I tried for a year. There are lots of things to try though. I finally gave in to it being an age thing.

 

[AMDG]

being 20, he's still a minor and you are responsible for him.

Not according to my attorney. Eighteen is the age of majority.

 

[Michie]

Washington D.C., Aug 24, 2009 / 01:09 pm (CNA).-

A booklet from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) on end-of-life issues asks its veterans to consider under what circumstances their life might not be “worth living.” One critic says the booklet is “guilt inducing” and sends a “hurry-up-and-die” message, while a U.S. Senator has called for hearings on its contents.

The booklet “Your Life, Your Choices” says it is intended to help plan for future medical decisions and for the preparation of a personalized living will.

The 52-page document includes a checklist asking “What makes my life worth living?” The reader is asked to rate scenarios on the checklist by quality of life.

Statements on the checklist ask the reader to consider his view of a life of severe pain, a life in which he can no longer contribute to his family’s well being, a life in which he cannot control bodily functions, and a life in which he cannot walk or leave the house.

Other statements have the reader consider whether being a “severe” emotional or financial burden on one’s family is a life worth living.

Categories for the statements on the checklist are “difficult, but acceptable,” “worth living, but just barely,” “not worth living,” and “can’t answer now.”

Beneath the checklist, the booklet asks the reader to consider whether a combination of “just barely” livable factors would make his life “not worth living.”

It also asks: “If you checked ‘not worth living,’ does this mean that you would rather die than be kept alive?”

The booklet itself does not explicitly raise the issue of drug- or physician-assisted suicide. However, it asks the reader to consider whether he believes artificial hydration and nutrition are morally obligatory. It also asks the reader to consider whether pain relief is acceptable if it hastens death.

Additionally, the booklet asks the reader to consider his desired treatment in cases where he has severe dementia, has a severe stroke, is permanently comatose, or is terminally ill.

For each situation, it asks whether or for how long the reader would like antibiotics, a feeding tube, dialysis, a mechanical ventilator, and comfort care.

Continued- http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16919

 

[JoabAnias]

Here is another great article on this:

Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com
Mr. Towey, president of Saint Vincent College, was director of the White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (2002-2006) and founder of the nonprofit Aging with Dignity.



Did anyone see what FactCheck.org said about the supposed "lies" against healthcare reform?

Abortion: Which Side Is Fabricating? | FactCheck.org

In response to the Obama-NRLC exchange, the independent FactCheck.org, affiliated with the Annenberg Public Policy Center, examined the issue. On August 21, FactCheck.org issued its analysis, written by FactCheck.org Director Brooks Jackson, titled, "Abortion: Which Side is Fabricating?" Here is a brief quote from FactCheck.org's conclusions:

“. . . it’s likely that any new federal insurance plan would cover abortion unless Congress expressly prohibits that. Low- and moderate-income persons who would choose the ‘public plan’ would qualify for federal subsidies to purchase it. Private plans that cover abortion also could be purchased with the help of federal subsidies. Therefore, we judge that the president goes too far when he calls the statements that government would be funding abortions ‘fabrications.’ . . . The NRLC’s Johnson said ‘the bill backed by the White House (H.R. 3200) explicitly authorizes the government plan to cover all elective abortions.’ And our analysis shows that Johnson’s statement is correct.”

 

[plainswolf]

People are dying, because of not having the means to pay for health care.

But check out what people showed up at one of the free-healh clinics heald in California, just a couple weeks ago.

People who lost their jobs, and their unemployment benefits ran out, now have no insurance.

Similar Clinics have taken place around the country in the past year. The doctors and nurses work for free.

We are starting to look like a 3rd world country.

Free health clinic at Forum draws crowds - The Daily Breeze

Jim

There are what, 12 million illegal aliens in this country? How many of them show up for free health care forums?

We have a lot of migrant workers here in town who show up for those types of things all the time - yet they manage to drive newer, nicer models of cars than I do, even though I work at the top paying industry in town.

For that matter, I've even seen my fellow workers show up for those free health care forums - so they don't have to pay the deductible on their insurance..

Point is, you offer things for free, everyone will show up for free things whether they really need it or not -- others do who are not even American citizens!


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[benedictaoo]

Thats because, being 20, he's still a minor and you are responsible for him.

BTW, if you don't pay the bill, they'll put a lean on your house. I've been through this with hospitals, even with insurance. They can be as crooked as the insurance companies themselves.

But, you'll have to go to the link I posted, to see why people ended up at the free clinic, if they could've just went to the ER for the exams they needed.

Jim

no.. no no... I did not sign him in or out, he signed himself in and out. he is in no way a minor under the law. If he was in collage he could be on a family plan but since he is an adult and not in school, he is responsible for the bill. Children up to 25 can remain under a family plan as long as they are full time students.

and no, medical bills that go into collection.. they do not put a lien on the house, they can, i guess for bills that are in the hundreds of thousands but for this? No... I know what I'm talking about, I had many a unpaid medical bills in the past and if it is a government subsidized hospital they leave you alone after a few attempts. the government pays them back.

Now it will be on your credit report but when your buying a house, medical bills that are outstanding, you do not have to repay those if your trying to get a loan... credit debts, etc, you do becuase they can put a lien but medical...? no way.

 

[SolomonVII]

I don't see anyone here as being a liar or an insurance company dupe, quite frankly.