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NYT Gets Trump Tax Info 1985-1994

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by iluvatar5150, May 7, 2019.

  1. Justified112

    Justified112 Well-Known Member

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    Trump has defied the norms and Trump has done in less than 4 years what everyone else couldn't do in 30 years. He has lowered unemployment to record levels, he has brought back jobs that no one thought would come back. He has lowered taxes, something that hasn't happened decades. Those who were going by the norms were willing to run this country off a cliff.

    Trump is not under an legal, constitutional obligation to show his tax returns. And given how his critics do nothing but smear him, I can see why he would not feel compelled to release them only to expose them to the same ongoing lies and smears that people like you constantly engage in. I would not reveal my tax returns either if I knew they would be lied about, misreported, misrepresented.
     
  2. iluvatar5150

    iluvatar5150 Well-Known Member

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    And here we have a good example of why I don't trust people to get these things right. Nearly everything you said was incorrect:


    Wrong. Annual GDP growth rates under Obama were over 2% in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2015.

    Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)


    It wasn't just "the liberal media". It was mainstream economists everywhere.

    No, it hasn't. Only in a single quarter (Q2 2018) did it get that high. And if a single quarter is our measuring stick, well, Obama beat that in three quarters (Q4 2009, Q2-3 2014). He also had several quarters up over 3%.

    Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

    Interesting. See, when I look at the data, it looks like we've had a pretty steady growth in manufacturing employment since about 2010.

    All Employees: Manufacturing | FRED | St. Louis Fed

    The growth rate has been a little higher for the last couple quarters than it was at times during Obama's tenure, but not a ton higher.

    All Employees: Manufacturing | FRED | St. Louis Fed




    They had 7 years of positive GDP growth coming out of the worst recession in a lifetime. That's a pretty good record.

    Regarding the growth projections, everybody knows you can juice GDP numbers with economic stimulus (such as a big tax cut or a big spending package). Most people, however, thought that approach was a bad idea at this late stage since the economy was already growing and it would run up huge deficits (there's also the fact that Republicans wouldn't have passed anything of Obama's that looked like a huge deficit buster).

    So, when Trump pushed through a big tax cut, the result was exactly what all the mainstream economists predicted: improved GDP growth and huge deficits.

    You'll note that that's rather different than what the Trump crowd was predicting, which was even bigger GDP growth (upwards of 6% in some of his predictions) and no deficits (i.e. that they'd pay for themselves). Everybody laughed at him for those claims - and rightfully so. His predictions were silly and the data now proves it.

    The data doesn't support your conclusion.
     
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  3. mark kennedy

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    It's the same economy we had under Obama, minus the tax cuts for the richest 1%.
     
  4. Speedwell

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    Poor Donald. It's a good thing he has you to stick up for him. How is it that he inspires such loyalty?
     
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  5. whatbogsends

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    The claims you're making in this post are absolute falsehoods. I posted links in post #161.
     
  6. Justified112

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  7. whatbogsends

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    I applaud your effort, but providing actual facts isn't going to help.

    Obviously the facts are partisan hacks that hate Trump. Trump has pushed is "4% GDP" narrative and his supporters believe him unquestioningly, despite the in your face data that shows the narrative to be untrue. More facts are not going to convince them.
     
  8. whatbogsends

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    The PAGE CAN NOT BE FOUND.

    Obama had quarterly GDP increases over 4% 3 times, and GDP increases over 3% an additional 6 times.

    The evidence supporting my claim has been posted by me, as well as iluvatar using a different source.
     
  9. iluvatar5150

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    First, you made a typo in your link. It should read ".html", not ".htm":

    If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming

    Second, did you even read the article? It says, "Over the past decade, the economy has grown at an average of about 2% a year." This graphic from that article shows (just like I said) 4 Obama years of GDP growth over 2%.

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  10. Justified112

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    Not enough over 2% to matter and he never got to 4% Thanks for the help.
     
  11. iluvatar5150

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    Your browser probably has it cached. It's broken for everybody else.



    GDP growth rates were 2.5% in 2014 and 2.9% in 2015. That's significantly higher than 2% and more than enough to matter

    I've already provided you the data showing that he did. That's what those Bureau of Economic Analysis links are.

    Your claims are false. If you continue repeating those false claims beyond this, you'll be guilty of lying.
     
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  12. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Trump never reached 4% GDP growth on an annual basis either

    2018—A Banner Year for the U.S. Economy

    However, both Trump and Obama have broken 4% GDP on a quarterly basis as has been pointed out to you.

    Both have fallen short in annual numbers but have succeeded in quarterly numbers.
     
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  13. whatbogsends

    whatbogsends Senior Veteran

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    Your claims contradict the facts which have been linked multiple times using multiple sources.
     
  14. Speedwell

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    On the other hand, he panders outrageously to right-wing religious extremists, appointing many judges favorable to their un-American political agenda.
     
  15. Shiloh Raven

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    What about his campaign promises to protect and preserve the rights of LGBT American citizens?

    He wrote in a June 14, 2016, tweet: "Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs."

    (1) The following is what he said about LGBT rights before he campaigned for the presidency.

    Donald Trump's past statements about LGBT rights

    Donald Trump Says Transgender People Should Use the Bathroom They Want

    (2) The following is his presidential campaign promises to protect the rights of LGBT Americans.

    Trump Vows to Protect LGBTQ Citizens

    Making GOP history, Trump vows to protect LGBT community

    Donald Trump’s “support” of LGBT communities in one image

    Trump vows to keep Obama-era protection for LGBT federal workers

    (3) The following is his presidential record breaking his campaign promises to protect LGBT rights.

    Donald Trump Is the Most Anti-LGBT President in History

    Sean Spicer's Book Reveals: Trump's LGBTQ+ Support Was a Total Lie

    How Trump Made 2017 a Horrific Year for LGBT Rights—and Worse Is to Come

    Trump promised to be LGBTQ-friendly. His first year in office proved it was a giant con.

    (4) The following are more articles on his anti-LGBT policies after promising to protect LGBT rights.

    Trump's Quiet War Against LGBT Americans

    Trump Attacked LGBT Rights in 2018, and He’s Far From Done

    First 100 Days: How President Trump Has Impacted LGBTQ Rights

    Trump administration rolls back protections for transgender students

    So much for his presidential campaign promise to be the President of all Americans. It's a shame he's conveniently forsaken his long held liberal views on LGBT rights to appease his conservative base and he's repeatedly broken his campaign promises to protect the rights of LGBT American citizens.



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  16. iluvatar5150

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    I'm still waiting on that infrastructure plan...

    ...and his Obamacare replacement...

    ...and the swamp to be drained....
     
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  17. GreatLakes4Ever

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    ...and his tax returns he promised to release...

    ...and peace in the Middle East...

    ...and the repeal of the Johnson Amendment...
     
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  18. Shiloh Raven

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    I think it is truly a shame that a man like him now represents the Religious Right and the rest of the Republican Party. I don't think the Republican Party can ever again honestly claim to be the political party of Christian morality and traditional family values. The devout Religious Right and the rest of the Republican Party spent the entire eight years of Bill Clinton's administration outraged and condemning him for being an adulterer and a womanizer. And here these conservatives are now supporting a man who could rival Bill Clinton in adulterous philandering and in other immoral behavior. Isn't it ironic that Bill Clinton's continuous sexual deviant behavior toward women was never once called "locker room banter" or "macho talk" by any of the conservatives who now support and defend Donald Trump?

    Sadly, this sudden change of heart concerning the moral character of the President isn't limited to the layman within the Republican Party. It also affected the most prominent Evangelical leaders as well.

    For example...

    James Dobson:

    James Dobson condemning Bill Clinton in 1998: "Character does matter. You can't run a family, let alone a country without it. How foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world."

    Source: What James Dobson Said in 1998 About Moral Character and the Presidency

    James Dobson endorsing Trump in 2016: "I’m not under any illusions that he is an outstanding moral example. It’s a cliché but true: We are electing a commander-in-chief, not a theologian-in-chief.”

    Source: I’m an evangelical. The religious right leaders who support Trump don’t speak for me.

    Franklin Graham:

    Franklin Graham condemning Bill Clinton in 1998: "Bill Clinton's months-long extramarital sexual behavior in the Oval Office now concerns him and the rest of the world, not just his immediate family. If he will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom he is most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American public?"

    Source: What Franklin Graham Said About the “Private Sins” of Bill Clinton in 1998

    Franklin Graham defending Donald Trump in 2018: “I think some of these things — that’s for him and his wife to deal with. I think when the country went after President Clinton, the Republicans, that was a great mistake that should never have happened. And I think the same with Stormy Daniels and so forth is nobody’s business. And we’ve got other business at hand that we need to deal with.”

    Source: Evangelist Franklin Graham Says Donald Trump's Alleged Affair Is 'Nobody's Business'

    Pat Robertson:


    Pat Robertson Calls for Clinton's Impeachment

    Standing by Donald Trump, Pat Robertson calls lewd video ‘macho talk’

    Jerry Farwell, Jr.

    Watch: Jerry Falwell Jr. goes after Clinton at Republican National Convention

    Evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. defends Trump: Jesus “never told Caesar how to run Rome”
     
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  19. GoldenBoy89

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    That's because he decided to disparage the entire nation of Mexico and their people when he ran for president. I had no problem with him either before then and I wont again once he is out of office.
     
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  20. GoldenBoy89

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    He literally says that he spoke with Putin about it and that Putin assured him it wasn't them and then he said the now infamous, "I don't see why it would be them" line which he then had to walk back immediately after arriving from the Helsinki conference.

    “My people came to me, [Director of National Intelligence] Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it's Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia,” Trump said. “I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

    The President of the United States took the word of the Russian president over his own intelligence agencies' counsel.
     
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