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Please, cite where Mueller said there was "no collusion". The Mueller Report specifically stated it didn't look into the matter of "collusion". The Mueller Report did say that they "did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". That's not the same as "no collusion", and for someone like Barr, who parses his words carefully (like claiming a difference between "attempted to have Mueller fired" and "attempted to have Mueller removed") to use the President's language rather than the language of the Mueller report is concerning. He appears to be setting a narrative rather than providing an straight-forward summary of the Mueller report.

Introduction to Volume I, Page 2:

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of "collusion." In so doing, the Office recognized that the word "collud[ e ]" was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ ed]"-a term that appears in the appointment order-with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, "coordination" does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express-between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."


There were crimes. The Russian hacking the DNC servers was a crime. Trump attempted to interfere with the investigation of that crime and potential connections to it with members of his campaign.

And while the Mueller report didn't establish a coordination between Trump and Russia, they certainly welcomed the stolen information.

The copy and paste of this was a bit rough due to redaction:

In Volume II, Section II, Beginning on P.17

"Within the Trump Campaign, aides reacted with enthusiasm to reports of the hacks.23
discussed with Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release the hacked material. Some witnesses said that Trump himself discussed the possibility of upcoming releases~. Michael Cohen, then-executive vice resident of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump , recalled hearing Cohen recalled that Trump responded, "oh good, alright,"
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Deputy campaign manager Rick Gates said that Manafort was getting pressure about -information and that Manafort instructed Gates~ status updates on u com in releases.28 Around the same time Gates was with Trump on a trip to an airport
, and shortly after the call ended, Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging
information would be coming
.[Redacted] were discussed within the Campaign,3° and in the summer of 2016, the Campaign was planning a communications strategy based on the possible release of Clinton emails by WikiLeaks.
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Obama's "stand down" order related specifically to cyber retaliation by the US. It's certainly worth investigating why he reached that decision. He did give a verbal warning to Putin, but it's not correct to say he did "nothing to stop it". It's certainly fair to say he didn't do enough and/or showed poor judgement.
If I gives you hope to hang onto the crumbs of semantics, more power to you.
 
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Because the GOP majority in the Senate is even more loyal than you.
That doesn't matter. Their is nothing stopping the house from beginning the impeachment process. Nancy said herself that "they need facts" facts that they don't have. Because the Mueller report does not provide any impeachable facts.
 
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Again, If this is true, why then are their no impeachment hearings?

With what part of "they're having investigations" are you having the most trouble? Impeachment is not something that's done lightly. There have only been about 20 impeachments in the history of the Republic and most of them happened during the Civil War.

And as has been pointed out, impeachment is a two part process that happens in both chambers. The Democrats in charge remember what happened to Republicans when they impeached Clinton and the Senate didn't convict him. With Senate Republicans carrying Trump's water and willing to defend him at all cost, there is not upside to impeachment.
 
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If he was still a Democrat or associated with any other political party, he would be held accountable by the conservatives who support and defend him now. He wouldn't be their champion President either.
Yeah, because they sure held Hillary accountable for her gross negligence of handling classified information.
 
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With what part of "they're having investigations" are you having the most trouble? Impeachment is not something that's done lightly. There have only been about 20 impeachments in the history of the Republic and most of them happened during the Civil War.

And as has been pointed out, impeachment is a two part process that happens in both chambers. The Democrats in charge remember what happened to Republicans when they impeached Clinton and the Senate didn't convict him. With Senate Republicans carrying Trump's water and willing to defend him at all cost, there is not upside to impeachment.
Senate intelligence investigation, House intelligence investigation, Bilateral investigation, and an independent investigation (Mueller) over the course of Trump's entire presidency, and you are saying that there needs to be more investigations? If congress doesn't have enough to impeach Trump now, they never will.
 
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Yeah, because they sure held Hillary accountable for her gross negligence of handling classified information.
She wasn’t part of the government when the investigation into her mishandling of classified information occurred.
 
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That doesn't matter.

Dude, do you even politics?

Their is nothing stopping the house from beginning the impeachment process.

Nothing except the knowledge that it'll accomplish nothing except galvanize Donald's support -- his people will spin it as a witch hunt... ho are you to say it's not?

Nancy said herself that "they need facts" facts that they don't have. Because the Mueller report does not provide any impeachable facts.

Very good! But the Senate's still more loyal.
 
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“It’s really up to Congress” – and not a special counsel, who works for the executive branch – “to investigate the question of whether President Trump committed obstruction of justice,” says Ken Hughes, an expert on presidential abuse of power at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center in Charlottesville, Virginia, “just as it investigated whether Nixon committed it and whether Clinton committed it.”

And again, it has already been investigated. Two hundred pages of volume II Op Ed from Mueller and separate investigations in both the house and the senate. But I will sit back and grab some popcorn and watch yet another meltdown from the left as they see their hopes and dreams crumble like the popped cornels in my mouth.
 
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With what part of "they're having investigations" are you having the most trouble? Impeachment is not something that's done lightly. There have only been about 20 impeachments in the history of the Republic and most of them happened during the Civil War.

And as has been pointed out, impeachment is a two part process that happens in both chambers. The Democrats in charge remember what happened to Republicans when they impeached Clinton and the Senate didn't convict him. With Senate Republicans carrying Trump's water and willing to defend him at all cost, there is not upside to impeachment.

Who is going to do a more thorough investigation than mueller just did?

They have enough goodies to impeach in the house right now, especially so if mueller testifies and confirms the evidence in the report.

The problem will be, getting a conviction in the senate, which will not happen unless something more comes to light.
 
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What I find interesting is that prior to running for office, Trump wast touted as a great businessman, received awards for racial diversity and work he did with minorities and was a friend to the very same people who are saying the exact opposite of him now.

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And people actually believe it.
Yeah, he’s a con man who fooled people into thinking he was a great businessman when in reality he lost more money that any other taxpayer during the period noted in the Times article. I’m not sure what pictures of Donald trump with black people have to do with his success as a business man or his taxes...?
 
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What I find interesting is that prior to running for office, Trump wast touted as a great businessman, received awards for racial diversity and work he did with minorities and was a friend to the very same people who are saying the exact opposite of him now.

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And people actually believe it.

So, who do you think changed...?
 
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Yeah, because lawyers have no political leanings and are nothing but political automatons, right??? There are lots of lawyers that agree with me. So if you can, try to come up with a more intelligent response.

I think the count is now up to 800+ of former lawyers and prosecutors, of all political stripes, who argue that Trump would be indicted for obstruction of justice, were he not the incumbent president....
 
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Who is going to do a more thorough investigation than mueller just did?

They have enough goodies to impeach in the house right now, especially so if mueller testifies and confirms the evidence in the report.

The problem will be, getting a conviction in the senate, which will not happen unless something more comes to light.

Thorough? We don’t know if Mueller included national security issues in his investigation, nor do we know if he ‘followed the money’ with regard to Trump’s financial entanglements with Russia...

Further investigation might provide the “more comes to light” for the Senate to act...
 
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Spin masters continue. No surprise there.

Just like Trump's claim of being a self made man, who started with a "small load of $1 million" was exposed for the lie it was (he was given over $400 million), his claims of being a successful businessman have been exposed as well.

Yes, Trump has talked about recovering from business losses. Did he talk about how US banks stopped loaning to him because he repeatedly didn't pay back their loans? Did he talk about how he got his financing from Russia after US banks stopped loaning to him?

Tucker claims that Trump is transparent, but he's anything but. He's a con man, pulling the most successful con in US history.
 
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