NYC has lost almost 300,000 people

[hislegacy]

Even though their governor is getting and Emmy - they are fed up with what is happening in their state and moving out.

Cooped up in tiny apartments, rattled by disease and demonstrations, and worried about their children’s education, hundreds of thousands escaped from New York this year — and not just for nearby suburbs.

The post office received 295,103 change of address requests from March 1 through Oct. 31, according to data
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[hislegacy]

https://nypost.com/2020/11/14/new-stats-reveal-massive-nyc-exodus-amid-coronavirus-crime/

More than 300,000 New Yorkers have bailed from the Big Apple in the last eight months, new stats show.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

I think that is good.

I think a lot of millions of people would move to Taiwan or Sweden if they could, to get out of the USA and to a country that is doing more honest approach to what government should do and should not do than the usa , with a lot of false tests and fake news(as made known years ago), is doing.

 

[Blade]

Well Aaron there is so much the government can't do in regards to states. And more people are still trying to come here then any other nation on the planet.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I think that is good.

I think a lot of millions of people would move to Taiwan or Sweden if they could, to get out of the USA and to a country that is doing more honest approach to what government should do and should not do than the usa , with a lot of false tests and fake news(as made known years ago), is doing.

You've been taking "false tests"..?

 

[Sparagmos]

Even though their governor is getting and Emmy - they are fed up with what is happening in their state and moving out.

Cooped up in tiny apartments, rattled by disease and demonstrations, and worried about their children’s education, hundreds of thousands escaped from New York this year — and not just for nearby suburbs.

The post office received 295,103 change of address requests from March 1 through Oct. 31, according to data
​

Another misleading headline. Change of address requests does not equal “moved out of state.” Many of those are people who moved to a different location in the city or are temporarily living somewhere else. And if course people will move out of NYC during a pandemic.

 

[Elliewaves]

They are moving to your state to turn it blue. It's all a plot.

 

[miamited]

Hi guys,

You do realize that you're only presenting one side of the inflow/outflow of New York City,...right?

The proffered article states that the USPS has received nearly 300,000 change of addresses for people moving out of the city. I imagine that New York City receives that many or more pretty much every year. After all, people are always moving about for job changes and such. However, before you can make that number say what it is that you're wanting it to say, namely that the city is just losing 300,000 people, then you have to factor in how many changes of address are filed across the nation and the world of people getting their mail delivered 'to' NYC.

Just for funnies: Who are the people moving to New York City? - Metro US

I'm not sure if this is comparing the same years, but the article above states that some 264,000 people moved into NYC in 2018. Now, I readily admit that the change of address form would likely often apply to a family unit and so 300,000 address changes may well account for 400,000 people, or more. But using simple math, since I don't have the same metric of change of address forms filed across the nation and world of people having their mail delivered to NYC, that's a net loss of 30,000 people. For a city of some 8.9 million residents, 30,000 is as good as nothing. And it may be 30,000 out this year and 30,000 in next. Moving in America is pretty much a given for everyone at some point in their lives.

Some move for job changes and some move for what they believe is better weather. Some move for the cost of living and some move for the better pay that white collar workers generally get in high cost of living areas. So, while I personally don't think I'd ever choose to live in NYC because of the high cost of living and the limited space provided most homeowners for reasonably priced housing, I know that there are lots of people who like townhouse living and the general walkability of NYC.

But my intent here is just to make sure that all understand just exactly what the metric that is being used to support this thread really says. BTW, I also find it disingenuous to write a headline stating where 'all' the people leaving NYC are moving to, and only supplying 5 testimonials of people who actually moved far away from the city. It also allows that some of those nearly 300,000 people merely moved to places just outside the city. It mentions Long Island, Westchester and New Jersey. While New Jersey is another state, I don't think that you'd leave NYC for the reasons that the article states...and move to New Jersey. New Jersey, especially as it surrounds the NYC area, really isn't much of a change as regards lifestyle, taxes and cost of living.

God bless,
ted

 

[The Barbarian]

Cooped up in tiny apartments, rattled by disease and demonstrations, and worried about their children’s education, hundreds of thousands escaped from New York this year — and not just for nearby suburbs.

Moving, for example, to Georgia.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Even though their governor is getting and Emmy - they are fed up with what is happening in their state and moving out.

Cooped up in tiny apartments, rattled by disease and demonstrations, and worried about their children’s education, hundreds of thousands escaped from New York this year — and not just for nearby suburbs.

The post office received 295,103 change of address requests from March 1 through Oct. 31, according to data
​

Most of those people are upper income, at least half moved into their summer homes elsewhere in New York State. If they do not return the damage to NYC will be tremendous. The tax base will be gone and these are the people who drive Broadway, high end shopping and dining etc.

 

[hislegacy]

This could be huge


Gov. Greg Abbott will welcome representatives from major stock exchanges, including Nasdaq, to Austin on Nov. 20.

According to a report by The Dallas Morning News, the meeting is part of Texas's bid to be the top choice if the exchanges make good on their threats to move their trading platforms out of New Jersey.

Nasdaq, Other Trading Exchanges to Meet With Gov. Abbott About Potential Move to Dallas

The move of Nasdaq would increase the exodus from NYC

wonder if that would change De Blasio s mind

‘I am not going to beg’: De Blasio won’t plead for the ultra-rich to return to NYC in clash with Cuomo

 

[Landon Caeli]

Most of those people are upper income, at least half moved into their summer homes elsewhere in New York State. If they do not return the damage to NYC will be tremendous. The tax base will be gone and these are the people who drive Broadway, high end shopping and dining etc.

 

[hislegacy]

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I've never seen it this empty. Black Friday?

 

[Erik Nelson]

NYC small business owner launches mayoral bid

 

[GodLovesCats]

More than 300,000 New Yorkers have bailed from the Big Apple in the last eight months, new stats show.

The New York Post is out to mislead its readers if they just want more people to blame the governor for it without accounting for all the normal reasons people move: college, jobs, family, etc. I know the NYP is a conservative newspaper and does not care if Democrats are always more honest than Republicans.

 

[The Barbarian]

How is New York City growing if it’s constantly losing people?
The conclusion suggested by domestic migration numbers is that New York is dying as its residents abandon ship, dragging down statewide migration numbers with it. New Yorkers would be right to question such pronouncements in the face of their skyrocketing rents, though. The city is as crowded and economically powerful as ever. Its population continues to climb despite an astronomical cost of living that suggests even more people would live there if they could. From 2010 to 2015, the Census Bureau estimates that New York City’s population increased by over 375,000.
...
The first answer is simple and readily available. Big cities are gateways for international immigrants, who crowd into apartment blocks in search of economic opportunity before eventually moving elsewhere. This explanation accounts for a little more than half the gap in the Census’ estimates for New York and the other four counties mentioned above. But even if international migration came to a halt, these cities would likely still be gaining population – or at least holding steady – while losing domestic migrants.
How is New York City growing if it's constantly losing people? | StatChat

 

[hislegacy]

How is New York City growing if it’s constantly losing people?
The conclusion suggested by domestic migration numbers is that New York is dying as its residents abandon ship, dragging down statewide migration numbers with it. New Yorkers would be right to question such pronouncements in the face of their skyrocketing rents, though. The city is as crowded and economically powerful as ever. Its population continues to climb despite an astronomical cost of living that suggests even more people would live there if they could. From 2010 to 2015, the Census Bureau estimates that New York City’s population increased by over 375,000.
...
The first answer is simple and readily available. Big cities are gateways for international immigrants, who crowd into apartment blocks in search of economic opportunity before eventually moving elsewhere. This explanation accounts for a little more than half the gap in the Census’ estimates for New York and the other four counties mentioned above. But even if international migration came to a halt, these cities would likely still be gaining population – or at least holding steady – while losing domestic migrants.
How is New York City growing if it's constantly losing people? | StatChat

From the link: By Luke Juday On April 18, 2016

care to try to use date that is not almost five years old?

Try this one from Feb 1, 2021

Lots of people moved out of New York and California in 2020. Here's where they went

"New York and California had much higher outbound activity," said Barry Schellenberg, Atlas Van Lines president. "It could be the cost of living, tax rates or the political climate, perhaps."​

They have lost so many people, it has changed the electoral map.

New York would drop to 26 seats, leaving it with fewer than Florida for the first time. Florida would gain two, bringing it to 29 and lifting it to third place in the tally, after California and Texas.​

 

[The Barbarian]

Lots of people moved out of New York and California in 2020. Here's where they went
"New York and California had much higher outbound activity," said Barry Schellenberg, Atlas Van Lines president. "It could be the cost of living, tax rates or the political climate, perhaps."
They have lost so many people, it has changed the electoral map.

You're confusing the city with the state. NYC has no electoral votes.

Many of them, BTW, are moving to Texas, as the state becomes more and more blue. That's a healthy thing; it's not good to have states polarized to the degree we have now. This is why Georgia elected Biden and two democrat senators; lots of people moving in from blue states as those economies start including hi-tech, which need better-educated workers.

That's the future. Meantime,as you learned, NYC is gaining population. But yes, cost of living is quite high in NY and California. So places like Texas and Georgia will become richer, more populous and more liberal.

 

[hislegacy]

You're confusing the city with the state. NYC has no electoral votes.

PSSST>>>>>> they are moving from both is so great a number that the state is loosing seats.

That's the future. Meantime,as you learned, NYC is gaining population. But yes, cost of living is quite high in NY and California. So places like Texas and Georgia will become richer, more populous and more liberal.

2016 - that was almost five years ago. I debunked your 'lesson'.

 

[The Barbarian]

PSSST>>>>>> they are moving from both is so great a number that the state is loosing seats.

Yes. And they are bluing the states where they are going. It's a good trend. In the long run, it will help reduce the divisions in the US.

(evidence showing NYC is growing, even as other parts of the state are loosing population)

2016 - that was almost five years ago. I debunked your 'lesson'.

Well, let's take a look...

New York City’s population is projected to surpass 9 million by 2050, with the fastest rate of growth in the Bronx and Brooklyn.


Source: Decennial Census, ACS 5-Year 2017, NYMTC 2050 borough population projections

Between 2010 and 2017, population has increased in neighborhoods across all five boroughs.

Guess not. I thought you knew.