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NY Times: Conservative Catholics Feel Left Out of Pope's Embrace

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Fantine, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote Supporter

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/u...l-left-out-of-the-popes-embrace.html?hp&_r=1&

     
  2. AvilaSurfer

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    Oy vey.:doh:
     
  3. WarriorAngel

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    Im not feeling 'abandoned'.

    I also note - a lot of the muddying is the media.
     
  4. Fantine

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    I am actually glad that the conservatives are expressing their feelings. It's emotionally healthier--even if they have been conditioned to say, "The Pope is always right," all that repressed hostility would crop up in other areas. Heaven knows we have too much of it in politics...
     
  5. Michie

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  6. Michie

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    Commentary from Greg Richter:

    Conservative Catholics Grapple with Pope's Perceived Liberalism

    Conservative Catholics Grapple with Pope's Perceived Liberalism
     
  7. Michie

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    *dp*
     
  8. Second Phoenix

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    What a horrible article.

    "But not everyone is so enchanted. Some Catholics in the church’s conservative wing in the United States say Francis has left them feeling abandoned and deeply unsettled. On the Internet and in conversations among themselves, they despair that after 35 years in which the previous popes, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, drew clear boundaries between right and wrong, Francis is muddying Catholic doctrine to appeal to the broadest possible audience."

    Some Catholics? Which Catholics? What study is this from?

    Where is he muddying Catholic doctrine?

    This is propaganda, not journalism.
     
  9. Michie

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    Awwww you're no fun. They got keep stirring the stink. ;)
     
  10. dusky_tresses

    dusky_tresses Just holding on

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    Media circus, anyone? The National Catholic Register has even made note about the media's distortion over the Pope. As in, everything he says.
     
  11. Michie

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    True.

    National Catholic Reporter was saying the Vatican was polling Catholics. Another distortion of the third degree.


    I'm sitting here just watching the circus.

    I'm waiting for the bookies to show up next. :p
     
  12. dusky_tresses

    dusky_tresses Just holding on

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    UGH don't read the National Catholic Reporter! Wrong NCR to read!
     
  13. Michie

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    I don't either but it was posted here.:)
     
  14. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    The Vatican did order the polling of Catholics. The definition of polling was even given to you. I'm not sure how you can deny this basic truth.
     
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  15. Fantine

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    I always get the feeling that Pope Francis speaks and "handlers" scurry around trying to do damage control to mute, stifle, soft-pedal, or alter his words.

    I'm not so sure it's the media that has them wrong...I think it's his "handlers."
     
  16. MikeK

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    I don't think the Pope's handlers are to blame for anything, liberal and conservative media are. The good man means what he says, but liberals in the media twist his intent and conservative in the media assert that he didn't mean anything at all but to maintain the status quo. They are a bunch of liars, and I don't understand why professed Catholics enable them by drawing attention to their articles or blogposts.
     
  17. Fantine

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    Catholics have traditionally been told they need to have everything interpreted for them...

    The Bible, for example. Heaven help us if a Bible verse has an individual meaning for us that is different from what the "official" meaning is supposed to be.

    But maybe some of us take the Pope's words at face value.

    And maybe some of us agree with the media's interpretation--and it's not as if his actual words aren't listed most of the time.

    Maybe some of us don't want to wait for some holdover from Pope Benedict's era to come out and say, "Wait--he didn't mean that. He meant, "Bravo status quo."

    Maybe he didn't mean that.
     
  18. WisdomTree

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    What garbage. I'm a Conservative Catholic and I think the current Pontiff is making everything so much more relevent for us!
     
  19. TravisK

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    Haha...good point.
     
  20. Miss Shelby

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    I got a personal phone call from him the other day, so I don't know what they think they're talking about.