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NY Times bombshell report blows up in their face. Again

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by hislegacy, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    The Times in the story published Saturday reported a former classmate of Kavanaugh's named Max Stier said he witnessed the now-justice expose himself and force a female classmate to touch his penis at a dorm party. The Times said it corroborated the story with two other officials who had heard the same report from Steir


    However, the woman involved in the alleged incident did not speak to the Times and, according to the correction, her friends say she does not recall that it happened.


    New York Times issues correction on Kavanaugh story

    They lied for the express purpose to damage the reputation of a Supreme Court Justice
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I can't believe someone would lie about that .....

    /s
     
  3. Albion

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    The most pathetic thing about this hoax may be that most of the leading Democrat candidates for President in 2020 immediately called for the impeachment of Justice Kavanaugh, based on...nothing.

    This crowd behaves more like the candidates in some high school student senate election than for president of the United States. :sigh:
     
  4. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    But the article you just gave us points out more than 1 has accused Kavanaugh.

    "Another woman, Deborah Ramirez, last year accused Kavanaugh of exposing himself and forcing her to touch him during their freshman year at Yale during the 1983-84 school year. A third woman, Julie Swetnick, accused Kavanaugh of being part of a group that planned gang rapes of young women at house parties while in high school. Kavanaugh has denied all the allegations."
    New York Times issues correction on Kavanaugh story

    It's never that just one person makes an accusation that should make us wonder about someone.

    It's when more than one person does.

    Deuteronomy 19:15 ESV
    “A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established."
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    So, what's the prudent course? To investigate more fully. A report is not a full investigation, and does not pretend to be generally.

     
  5. Albion

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    No matter. The Supreme Court will remain as it is unless RBG dies or is forced by failing health to resign.
     
  6. NightHawkeye

    NightHawkeye Work-in-progress Supporter

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    RBG could remain for some time.

    Realistically, we could lose any justice at any time. Life is more frail and precarious than many like to admit. Accidental death may not be likely, but male susceptibility to heart attacks is an ever-present possibility, as has happened recently for the court.
     
  7. SoldierOfTheKing

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    The lying press lied. What else is new?
     
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  8. NightHawkeye

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    Yes ... by definition ... the lying press lies.

    Now, if we could just agree on which media and members of the media were prone to do so ...
     
  9. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Then?....

    If you have omniscience that would help, right? Can't see your succeeding without it.

    This is why our Constitution is better than such a plan: We are not God, to make such choices for others.
     
  10. NightHawkeye

    NightHawkeye Work-in-progress Supporter

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    The difference between news and propaganda is that the purveyors of propaganda lie with abandon.

    Know who lies with abandon ... you know who the purveyors of propaganda are.


    People may still tune in to propaganda outlets. People often like fantasy. Most people know the difference though ... even in the old Soviet Union most people apparently knew that Pravda (Truth) was a fantasy journal.
     
  11. Hank77

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    The New York Times on Monday added a correction to a report accusing Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct.

    The correction notes that friends of the woman allegedly involved in the incident with Kavanaugh
    during college say she does not recall it.

    The Times in the story published Saturday reported a former classmate of Kavanaugh's named Max Stier said he witnessed the now-justice expose himself and force a female classmate to touch his penis at a dorm party. The Times said it corroborated the story with two other officials who had heard the same report from Stier.

    I brain must be getting old. Where exactly is the lie? What was incorrect in the original article?
     
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  12. RocksInMyHead

    RocksInMyHead God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!

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    I'm not sure how this constitutes a lie - having no memory of events that occurred when you were very drunk is pretty common. She does not say that it didn't happen, just that she can't remember it.

    That doesn't necessarily mean that it's true either, but it does make it worthy of investigation. Which the FBI did not do.
     
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  13. Tom Farebrother

    Tom Farebrother Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    The retraction is about another woman, not the woman the article is about. The mention of the other woman was removed from the article - she was another student that a third student claimed to have seen be made to do what the article said she did. The second woman's name isn't given, the woman who is the focus of the article is Deborah Ramirez.
     
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  14. SoldierOfTheKing

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    That Max Stier has any credibility, which Times is implying by even running the story.
     
  15. Hank77

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    Who is he that you can say that he has no credibility?
     
  16. NightHawkeye

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    He was Bill Clinton's defense attorney during the impeachment and represented Bill Clinton during other sexual assault trials as well. He also represented Hillary in some of her alleged misdeeds.

    He lost most of those cases. He's now attempting to profit from what appear to be manufactured claims against Kavanaugh.
     
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  17. Hank77

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    Oh, well that seems a little too convenient to me.
     
  18. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    Back to the topic of the thread

    What should the consequences be for not properly vetting information?
     
  19. NightHawkeye

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  20. NightHawkeye

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    Former MSNBC commentator Krystal Ball is this week considering "suing" Rush Limbaugh for slightly inaccurate comments he made about sexually provocative pictures she posted of herself in younger years on social media.

    It seems Rush didn't get all the details correct. :doh:
     
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