Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy.....

[Douggg]

To be the Antichrist the person must be a Jew, and be anointed the King of Israel for a short while. So the task is to figure out what the Jews are expecting of the messiah and how the person will appear to them to be the messiah. Judaism 101, things, the mashich is a good place to start. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

It should be noted that the little horn, tied to the Roman Empire, is not the Antichrist (albeit the same person)when he is the little horn. The little horn will be the 7th Julio-Claudian king (in that bloodline) of the Roman Empire in the end times, leader of the EU.

After coming into the middle east post Gog/Magog, followed up by his stint as the Antichrist, and after being killed and brought back to life - he becomes the beast (no longer the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel by the Jews, but....) 8th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire of the end times, dictator of the EU.

That's how the verses are reconciled. Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy..... Know the difference between being the Antichrist, King of Israel (coming in his own name), and being the little horn, then beast, the 7th and 8th King of the Roman Empire.

 

[keras]

To be the Antichrist the person must be a Jew, and be anointed the King of Israel for a short while.

As there is nothing in the Bible to support this opinion, we can file it in the round bin.
Israel or the Jews, or the world, will not have a King until Jesus Returns.

Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy.....

That thing would be to clear your mind of all the teachings of men and carefully study ALL of the Bible prophesies.
In my experience, that takes about 10 years! And then you've just got started!

 

[Douggg]

As there is nothing in the Bible to support this opinion, we can file it in the round bin.
Israel or the Jews will not have a King until Jesus Returns.

keras, this is the sort of statement all to often heard on this forum, not only by you, but some others as well.

You are trying to bully your disagreement, with what is basically a complete untruth, as over many years, I have presented to you multiple bible passages as to why the person will be the King of Israel, perceived messiah by the Jews for awhile and why that is the function of the concept of the Antichrist.

You need to stop that sort of bully tactic. It is unbecoming to you, and everyone else who does it. Make biblically based arguments instead, to things you disagree about.

That thing would be to clear your mind of all the teachings of men and carefully study ALL of the Bible prophesies.
In my experience, that takes about 10 years!

Well, I have about 50 years in that department, and over ten thousand posts at Jewish sites learning what they believe about the messiah and why it corresponds to what the arch villain of the end times will do.

 

[Dave L]

To be the Antichrist the person must be a Jew, and be anointed the King of Israel for a short while. So the task is to figure out what the Jews are expecting of the messiah and how the person will appear to them to be the messiah. Judaism 101, things, the mashich is a good place to start. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

It should be noted that the little horn, tied to the Roman Empire, is not the Antichrist (albeit the same person)when he is the little horn. The little horn will be the 7th Julio-Claudian king (in that bloodline) of the Roman Empire in the end times, leader of the EU.

After coming into the middle east post Gog/Magog, followed up by his stint as the Antichrist, and after being killed and brought back to life - he becomes the beast (no longer the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel by the Jews, but....) 8th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire of the end times, dictator of the EU.

That's how the verses are reconciled. Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy..... Know the difference between being the Antichrist, King of Israel (coming in his own name), and being the little horn, then beast, the 7th and 8th King of the Roman Empire.

Shouldn't your title be "Understanding Dispensationalism"?

 

[Douggg]

Shouldn't your title be "Understanding Dispensationalism"?

Why?

 

[Dave L]

Why?

Because of several reasons. One is Christ abolished circumcision which reduced all unbelievers to gentiles after that generation died off. Who now are gentiles who practice Talmudic Judaism. Not even biblical Judaism. The only true Israel is the Church (believers only).

 

[Douggg]

Because of several reasons. One is Christ abolished circumcision which reduced all unbelievers to gentiles after that generation died off. Who now are gentiles who practice Talmudic Judaism. Not even biblical Judaism. The only true Israel is the Church (believers only).

 

[Dave L]

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You could have fooled me. Premillennial?

 

[Douggg]

You could have fooled me. Premillennial?

Yes. But none of those things have anything to do with the premise of....

Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy..... Know the difference between being the Antichrist, King of Israel (coming in his own name), and being the little horn, then beast, the 7th and 8th King of the Roman Empire.

 

[Dave L]

Yes. But none of those things have anything to do with the premise of....

Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy..... Know the difference between being the Antichrist, King of Israel (coming in his own name), and being the little horn, then beast, the 7th and 8th King of the Roman Empire.

The number one thing is to remember that Jesus announced the kingdom as spiritual. This means all literal kingdom prophecies of the OT are symbols not to be taken literally.

 

[Douggg]

The number one thing is to remember that Jesus announced the kingdom as spiritual. This means all literal kingdom prophecies of the OT are symbols not to be taken literally.

Okay, you are entitled to your opinion and viewpoint.

 

[Dave L]

Okay, you are entitled to your opinion and viewpoint.

It's far more than that. People have the same veil over their eyes the Pharisees have trying to read the OT literally like a cookbook.

 

[Douggg]

It's far more than that. People have the same veil over their eyes the Pharisees have trying to read the OT literally like a cookbook.

... Some people can look up directly at the sun at high noon and still not see the light.

 

[Dave L]

... Some people can look up directly at the sun at high noon and still not see the light.

But why follow the Pharisees if Jesus says they are blind? Unless ....

 

[Douggg]

But why follow the Pharisees if Jesus says they are blind? Unless ....

The Pharisees did not understand it when Jesus said he would raise this temple in three days, pointing to his resurrection. Nor believed it afterward, and bribed the guards of the tomb to lie.

You are going off topic.

 

[eleos1954]

To be the Antichrist the person must be a Jew, and be anointed the King of Israel for a short while. So the task is to figure out what the Jews are expecting of the messiah and how the person will appear to them to be the messiah. Judaism 101, things, the mashich is a good place to start. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

It should be noted that the little horn, tied to the Roman Empire, is not the Antichrist (albeit the same person)when he is the little horn. The little horn will be the 7th Julio-Claudian king (in that bloodline) of the Roman Empire in the end times, leader of the EU.

After coming into the middle east post Gog/Magog, followed up by his stint as the Antichrist, and after being killed and brought back to life - he becomes the beast (no longer the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel by the Jews, but....) 8th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire of the end times, dictator of the EU.

That's how the verses are reconciled. Number one thing to understanding end times bible prophecy..... Know the difference between being the Antichrist, King of Israel (coming in his own name), and being the little horn, then beast, the 7th and 8th King of the Roman Empire.

The Jews were wrong and missed His first coming ... and what you are putting forth does not aline with Gods word.

You did not put forth any verses .... much less "reconcile" them.

 

[Douggg]

The Jews were wrong and missed His first coming ... and what you are putting forth does not aline with Gods word.

You did not put forth any verses .... much less "reconcile" them.

The Jews were wrong and missed His first coming ... and what you are putting forth does not aline with Gods word.

You did not put forth any verses .... much less "reconcile" them.

Hi eleos, my opening post presumes most here are familiar with the end times passages in the bible, and that Jesus was God's choice to be the King of Israel.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi eleos, my opening post presumes most here are familar with the end times passages in the bible, and the Jesus was God's choice to be the King of Israel.

and He is .... all believers in Christ ARE His Israel .... and He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Well there are MANY interpretations regarding end times .... not just the one you are putting forth.

Romans 9

God’s Sovereign Choice
(Genesis 25:19-28; Malachi 1:1-5)

6It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”a 8So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring. 9For this is what the promise stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”b

 

[Douggg]

Well there are MANY interpretations regarding end times .... not just the one you are putting forth.

I agree. And it is almost an universal error to refer the Antichrist in a blanket fashion to describe the person. That leads to a limitless number of mis-interpretations.

 

[eleos1954]

I agree. And it is almost an universal error to refer the Antichrist in a blanket fashion to describe the person. That leads to a limitless number of mis-interpretations.

whats a "blanket fashion"