Wikipedia has an interesting article on this. "Glossolalia".
Paul was careful not to rebuke praying in tongues altogether but just gave his order. For the Corinthians public style ministry, open to non believers... a certain order. He also in that setting or context said women must not speak in the service, and we'd have to be there to know exactly what that meant, or find a good commentary. Like Gordon Fee's works.
We know Paul used the Greek word for tongues in association with angelic tongues. This is not so extraordinary. Angels fight against the dark angels. For spiritual warfare this is the best language we can obtain.
My tongues have been interpreted during prayer and were prayers. The AOG as linked in wikipedia has a view of tongues being spoken in public or used in private prayer.
I would hardly believe wiki over scriptural context/ the Greek wording used. Many church beliefs compromise scripture and it would be no surprise such compromise can be found on wiki.
It is not gibberish. It is sometimes poetic, can be sung, can be in harmony, and leads onto the revealing of secret thoughts with encouragement according to the scriptures.
It has been know to be a foreign language.
I have heard interpretations several times and then it is like prophecy.
It is practical, about giving peace and growing in love, not rules. People can use words of knowledge for work. It is not like Paul's decency is Moses' law.
The context in the scripture we are discussing dictates that it is foreign language of any number of nations on earth.
It is interesting that people who claim to have gifts, never really go out like the disciples did and prove their gifts. Mark 16:20 states that they went out into the world and used their signs and wonders to "confirm the word".
Questions:
Is the bible complete?
Does the bible need to be confirmed anymore?
Anyway, back to the interesting thing about people who claim they have gifts. Gifts were to be used openly. People who claim this now days do not do this. They go to congregations that agree with their beliefs already. They never go out to a street corner and prove it.
Question:
If gift of tongues is still accessible, then all the other gifts are.
If that is the case, then do you believe in the Mormon belief system? Would you hold to their beliefs and follow them and reject your current beliefs?
If not, why?
Note: Joseph Smith claimed divine prophecies and claimed to have spoken with an angel.
In this chapter, the Holy Spirit has just been sent to replace Jesus. All were speaking at once in known tongues until the observation was made and they commented. Following this Peter calls to speak and explains they are not drunk... Prophesying is not drunken. We don't exactly know why they looked drunk that morning. This is not like Paul's church in Corinth.
Satan won't counterfeit giving people peace, with no catches, like, they must worship an idol... peace, faith, courage, love, come from tongues and won't come from Satan, and these things happen where tongues are used.
"Others" claimed they were drunk because they were "mocking" them. Your still faced with the problem that all the different national peoples there heard their language. It was literal foreign tongue, like German for example. Not some crazy muttering they do now days.
Secondly, Paul didnt have a church. It is Christs church. Paul is merely a mouth piece to help advance the kingdom/church of Christ. (Matthew 16:18-19- Christs church/kingdom established in Acts 2)
Peace, faith, courage, love, does not come from tongues. This is utterly false. This premise doesn't even hold true in the secular either. Tongues if a spiritual gift given by the Holy Spirit to some, to confirm the word, of which we do not need anymore since the bibles completion.
The Bible was not composed using gifts of the Spirit, or at least not mainly. The writers had a , revelation of God, and an anointing. Timothy found his calling through gifts of prophecy and was empowered to minister. People today still need this. These words to Timothy did not create the Bible wording. They are lost from our reading.
Yes, the writers had the Holy Spirit directing the scriptures writing. The bible IS composed of historical evidence, signs and wonders, witnesses, and proof of God and Jesus, and that Jesus was the Christ. The word was indeed confirmed using gifts. It literally states such:
Mark 16:20
John 20:30-31
Quite literally.
Revelation last chapter tells us not to omit or add to the book of Revelation.
I agree.
The same principle can apply to 1 Corinthians and Acts... We should not omit spiritual gifts saying they ceased.
Yes, we can apply the same principle.
No, the bible literally says the gifts will cease. It is not my opinion. I placed scripture down.
We should not say their purpose was to write the NT and that they have no use now. Young men today need gifts, there is a bad suicide rate. People are lost.
We can say gifts were for the NT because it literally states it. I gave the verses above earlier.
If Jews and other were not going to believe using signs and wonders, why do you think it would be beneficial today?
There are accounts of Jesus himself doing signs and they still did not believe.
I think Jesus said:
blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (Jn 20:29)
We need the teacher of all Truth to teach us the Bible. The Spirit and for some the anointing. Some call Him Him others it.
1Jn 2:20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him. ESV
We have the bible. It is "that which is perfect". About 40 authors in thousands of years and it is quite accurate and no discrepancies 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
John wrote this to people who were Christians for some time already. They had been taught and were knowledgeable from all that was taught to them.
You forgot to include:
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also
That puts the context more clearly for you. If you had been studying in botany and got your degree, you to would have the knowledge needed. 1 John was written in about 85-90 AD. Over 50 years after Christs death on the cross. The people John is writing to, must be mature Christians. However he does contain messages for the younger ones too in this chapter 2.
