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Featured NT Proof that believers need to repent of their on-going sins

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. BCsenior

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    The Holman Christian Standard Bible
    Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides
    of the same coin. Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief,
    whereas believe means to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus, when one is mentioned
    the other is implied … John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith
    to describe the way people are saved. Instead, he used believe since this term
    included all of these ideas.

    When believers first become saved, they are forgiven of their PAST sins
    “forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NLT)
    “old sins” (KJV, NKJV, RSV) ● “former sins” (NASB, ESV) ● “past sins” (NIV, HCSB)


    Paul’s warning to the Corinthian church
    He wrote this concerning the letter of rebuke which he had previously sent to them:
    “… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
    It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
    harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
    leads us away from sin and results in salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-9)


    Peter warns believers to repent and live holy lives
    “He does not want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually),
    but wants everyone to repent … what holy and godly lives you should live
    … I am warning you ahead of time…be found living peaceful lives
    that are pure and blameless” (2 Peter 3:6-14)
    Can believers live holy and godly lives without continuously repenting of their sins?
    “… we ought to live holy and godly lives, lest we also be condemned with the world
    (Romans 13:11-12, 1 Thessalonians 5:4-8) … we must repent and obey and preach the gospel”
    (The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


    It is necessary to confess our sins (and repent, forsaking them)
    “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins
    and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
    This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
    all unrighteousness –- from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from
    them … We must also confess them with our actions … John is talking here about
    repentance … we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
    (The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


    “He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses
    and forsakes them (i.e. repents) will have mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13)


    Remember Jesus warnings to the 7 churches in Revelation 2 and 3
    ● He warns 5 of the 7 churches >>> they need to repent.
    ● He warns all 7 churches >>> they need to be overcomers.

    This has nothing to do with believing that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:4-5).
    When John talks about "the world", he is talking about the world of non-believers!
    This has to do with
    Revelation 3:21
    To him who overcomes
    I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
    as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
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  2. CharismaticLady

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    Wow, don't you know that the if the Corinthian church had gone on with their sins the whole church would have gone to hell. They needed to truly repent. 2 Corinthians 7:10 "10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

    You said: “He does not want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but wants everyone to repent

    Wow, that is what God want for everyone in the world - to repent and be saved.

    There were many in the church ages that had never repented, but were thinking they were saved. Look at Sardis. It was the dead church. There are many throughout church history that were never even on the path toward salvation. Zack, they were not Christians in the sight of God.
     
  3. Aussie Pete

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    This discussion misses a vital point. There are two salvations that we experience as born again Christians. I prefer to use the word "deliverance" for the second salvation because there is confusion as to what salvation means. A real Christian is born again. When person repents, accepts the saving work of Christ on the cross and His resurrection, and accepts Christ, that person is born again. He then has a new spirit and the Lord Jesus lives there in the Person of His Holy Spirit.

    The Christian then has a choice. He can choose to live according to the life of Christ within, or choose to live by self and the flesh. God will not reject the born again spirit. However, we should be experiencing ongoing deliverance from sin, self, Satan and the world system.

    Those who do not give up their sinful ways will suffer great loss. "When you are gathered in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord" 1 Corinthians 5, 4 & 5. No, I don't know why the quote is partly in blue....
    We need to remember that the gospel is of the kingdom, not just going to heaven when we die. God wants to reward us with Kingdom blessings. Those who lose much of self and the flesh in this life will gain much in the Kingdom. Those who live for themselves will suffer great loss.
    If an individual loves to sin and cannot be brought to true repentance, I doubt the reality of their born again experience.
     
  4. CharismaticLady

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    A person who chooses to live by self and the flesh was NEVER born again to begin with. I don't think you know how powerful the born again experience is, let alone the result. 1 John 3:9 is the result.

    (Click open.) What do you think the red part means? And what great loss will they suffer? Do you think if they never repent, they still go to heaven, but lose rewards, or their life, or what?
     
  5. ViaCrucis

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    And yet, the regenerate do sin, 1 John 1:8, 1 John 5:16.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  6. Lost4words

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    Oh, so everyone who claims to be born again is sin free?
     
  7. CharismaticLady

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    1 John 1:8 is an unregenerate. 1 John 1:9 is how to become a regenerate. 1 John 1:16 is a sin not leading to death - a trespass. Yes, Christians will commit them, but if they are walking in the Spirit, they will automatically be cleansed. If they are not walking in the Spirit, they could advance to sins unto death. In other words, they will not be saved.
     
  8. CharismaticLady

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    If they are actually born again they will not commit sins of lawlessness. But they could commit sins not unto death - trespasses. But as long as they are walking in the Spirit and forgiving others their trespasses against them, those trespasses will be forgiven.
     
  9. ViaCrucis

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    You can continue to intentionally misinterpret 1 John 1:8, but the text still says what it says.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  10. Hillsage

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    I agree that 1 Joh1 isn't talking about the born again 'relationship' we have with our God in spirit. It is talking about the soulish "FELLOWSHIP" (1Joh 1: 3, 6, 7) we are walking in, as we work out our soul salvation with fear and trembling.

    And 'souls' aren't born of God either, only "begotten" spirits are. 1 Joh 5:1
     
  11. CharismaticLady

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    You can stay ignorant, and believe it okay that John is contradicting himself with 1 John 3:9, or you can smarten up and ask yourself what is actually meant; also why verses 6, 8 and 10 are all separated by a verse of light that contrasts with those three verses of darkness.
     
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  12. BCsenior

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    Does everyone understand that when one first receives the Holy Spirit,
    He comes in and dwells inside his spirit ...
    ... as man is made up of body, soul (mind, will, emotions), and spirit.

    Unregenerate man is spiritually dead.
    Regenerated man is spiritually alive.

    IMO, Unregenerate man has an empty spirit.
    Regenerated man has God's Spirit dwelling in his spirit.

    Those regenerated believers
    who have also been baptized with the Holy Spirit
    have been filled with God's Spirit to overflowing.
    (Some insist that the overflowing is the tongues coming out.)
     
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  13. Lost4words

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    I think you are misunderstanding scripture.
     
  14. CharismaticLady

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    No, the context is in the chapter. 1 John 3:4 is the type of sin that a Christian cannot commit after receiving a different nature than the one that commits that type of sin. If you want to say it is about those "practicing" sin as preachers teach that are trying to fill the seats, "practicing" is only used for righteousness, not sin.
     
  15. Lost4words

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    Christians can and do sin. Jesus gave us a way to be absolved from sin. Once saved, always saved is a myth. We are flesh. We are weak. Only Jesus is perfect.
     
  16. CharismaticLady

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    We are only weak while we do not have His powerful sinless Spirit in us. Yes, OSAS is a myth. So is the myth that we will always sin, because when Jesus said He would free us from sin He did not lie. It is the teachers that say we will always sin that are lying to you and don't know the power of Jesus.

    John 8:34-36; 1 John 3:5

    You are Catholic, so maybe you will understand this. Jesus frees us from committing mortal sins. His blood cleanses us from venial sins as long as we are walking in the Spirit and forgiving others their trespasses against us. 1 John 1:7 and Matthew 6:14-15
     
  17. Lost4words

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    To free us from sin doesnt mean we will never sin again.
     
  18. CharismaticLady

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    I edited my post when I saw you were Catholic. Read the last paragraph I added and see if you agree.
     
  19. Lost4words

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    Even as a Christian, we sometimes trip up and commit mortal sin. This is why we have Jesus to turn to to pray for forgiveness. This is why, us Catholics, believe in confession.
     
  20. CharismaticLady

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    I'm glad you came back. I wanted to ask you a question. If a Catholic commits a mortal sin and they go to confession, what does the priest tell them generally?
     
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