NT Proof that believers need to repent of their on-going sins

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The Holman Christian Standard Bible
Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides
of the same coin. Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief,
whereas believe means to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus, when one is mentioned
the other is implied … John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith
to describe the way people are saved. Instead, he used believe since this term
included all of these ideas.

When believers first become saved, they are forgiven of their PAST sins
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NLT)
“old sins” (KJV, NKJV, RSV) ● “former sins” (NASB, ESV) ● “past sins” (NIV, HCSB)


Paul’s warning to the Corinthian church
He wrote this concerning the letter of rebuke which he had previously sent to them:
“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-9)


Peter warns to repent and live holy lives
“He does not want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually),
but wants everyone to repent … what holy and godly lives you should live
… I am warning you ahead of time … be found living peaceful lives
that are pure and blameless” (2 Peter 3:6-14)
Can believers live holy and godly lives without continuously repenting of their sins?
“… we ought to live holy and godly lives, lest we also be condemned with the world
(Romans 13:11-12, 1 Thess. 5:4-8) … we must repent and obey and preach the gospel”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


It is necessary to confess our sins (and repent, forsaking them)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness –- from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from
them … We must also confess them with our actions … John is talking here about
repentance … we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


“He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses
and forsakes them (i.e. repents) will have mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13)


Remember Jesus' warnings to the 7 churches in Revelation 2 and 3
● He warns 5 of the 7 churches >>> they need to repent.
● He warns all 7 churches >>> they need to be overcomers.

This has nothing to do with believing that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:4-5).
When John talks about "the world", he is talking about the world of non-believers!
This has to do with
Revelation 3:21 …
To him who overcomes
I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
 
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I help the homeless and it is difficult. And when I deny them I feel like I'm sinning. Interesting is that without having charity you can be a habitual sinner. Those people probably need to repent the most. I read somewhere that Sodom and Gomorrah sin was that of gluttony and lack of charity for the poor, sick and afflicted. And isn't that the miracles Jesus did? Miracles for the poor, sick and afflicted.

Matthew 10:14-15

14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

They were spreading the message of Jesus, not Paul so much (not that it matters). But Jesus message was clear: Matthew 25:40-45

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

I think more importantly we need to believe Jesus the Christ. Sure Paul too. But no one has as much authority as Jesus.
 
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I think more importantly we need to believe Jesus the Christ.
Yes, believing in Jesus as Savior comes first.
Followed by ...
believing in what He said,
believing in Him as Lord,
loving Him enough to obey Him,
confessing/repenting to Him of our ongoing sins,
and even more!
 
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Yes, believing in Jesus as Savior comes first.
Next, believing in what He said.
Then, believing in Jesus as Lord.
Then, loving Him enough to obey Him.
And confessing/repenting to Him of our ongoing sins.

Yes and sometimes that's the hardest part, is identifying what sin one is committing. Until you identify what your sin is you can't confess it. Or even know that your sinning.

And yes obeying the passages I listed is difficult I find. But not impossible. We had a discussion about that recently. What to pray for. And such that the Lord would answer your prayer. And it was suggested to pray to help the poor, sick and afflicted, and that Jesus would grant that. Which is a prayer He just might answer.
 
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Yes, believing in Jesus as Savior comes first.
Followed by ...
believing in what He said,
believing in Him as Lord,
loving Him enough to obey Him,
confessing/repenting to Him of our ongoing sins,
and even more!

Believing in Jesus as Savior comes first, but is that all he came for, didn't He provide us with a Freedom not afforded to those who do not Believe?

It's like your saying Jesus died for our sins, (Savior) and that He didn't do anything else to secure that position of Salvation for the Believer, it's all base on our Faith in believing His Sacrifice, or it's all down the tube.

That is sort of a superficial or limited way of viewing what Jesus actually accomplished for the Believers in Him.
 
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Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides
of the same coin. Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief,
whereas believe means to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus, when one is mentioned
the other is implied … John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith
to describe the way people are saved. Instead, he used believe since this term
included all of these ideas.

When believers first become saved, they are forgiven of their PAST sins
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NLT)
“old sins” (KJV, NKJV, RSV) ● “former sins” (NASB, ESV) ● “past sins” (NIV, HCSB)


Paul’s warning to the Corinthian church
He wrote this concerning the letter of rebuke which he had previously sent to them:
“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-9)


Peter warns to repent and live holy lives
“He does not want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually),
but wants everyone to repent … what holy and godly lives you should live
… I am warning you ahead of time … be found living peaceful lives
that are pure and blameless” (2 Peter 3:6-14)
Can believers live holy and godly lives without continuously repenting of their sins?
“… we ought to live holy and godly lives, lest we also be condemned with the world
(Romans 13:11-12, 1 Thess. 5:4-8) … we must repent and obey and preach the gospel”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


It is necessary to confess our sins (and repent, forsaking them)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness –- from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from
them … We must also confess them with our actions … John is talking here about
repentance … we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


“He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses
and forsakes them (i.e. repents) will have mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13)


Remember Jesus' warnings to the 7 churches in Revelation 2 and 3
● He warns 5 of the 7 churches >>> they need to repent.
● He warns all 7 churches >>> they need to be overcomers.

This has nothing to do with believing that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:4-5).
When John talks about "the world", he is talking about the world of non-believers!
This has to do with
Revelation 3:21 …
To him who overcomes
I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”

Please read the second verse of 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 1:2
This is what he calls these people before admonishing them about some pretty potent sins. Rather strange that he calls them "sanctified", even knowing what they have been doing and allowing others among them to do, isn't it? Or maybe not, if they remain sanctified despite those things.
 
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Please read the second verse of 1 Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 1:2
This is what he calls these people before admonishing them about some pretty potent sins. Rather strange that he calls them "sanctified", even knowing what they have been doing and allowing others among them to do, isn't it? Or maybe not, if they remain sanctified despite those things.
Positional sanctification means "set apart (for being sanctified)".
This continues until God gives up on a BAC (and who knows when that might be).
Progressive sanctification
This continues until God gives up on a BAC (and who knows when that might be),
or until his/her death, or until being raptured (just before God's final wrath is poured out).
 
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Positional sanctification means "set apart (for being sanctified)".
This continues until God gives up on a BAC (and who knows when that might be).
Progressive sanctification
This continues until God gives up on a BAC (and who knows when that might be),
or until his/her death, or until being raptured (just before God's final wrath is poured out).

Hebrews 13:5
“I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Another verse that doesn't jive with "until God gives up on a BAC"
 
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Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides
of the same coin. Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief,
whereas believe means to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus, when one is mentioned
the other is implied … John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith
to describe the way people are saved. Instead, he used believe since this term
included all of these ideas.

When believers first become saved, they are forgiven of their PAST sins
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NLT)
“old sins” (KJV, NKJV, RSV) ● “former sins” (NASB, ESV) ● “past sins” (NIV, HCSB)


Paul’s warning to the Corinthian church
He wrote this concerning the letter of rebuke which he had previously sent to them:
“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-9)


Peter warns to repent and live holy lives
“He does not want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually),
but wants everyone to repent … what holy and godly lives you should live
… I am warning you ahead of time … be found living peaceful lives
that are pure and blameless” (2 Peter 3:6-14)
Can believers live holy and godly lives without continuously repenting of their sins?
“… we ought to live holy and godly lives, lest we also be condemned with the world
(Romans 13:11-12, 1 Thess. 5:4-8) … we must repent and obey and preach the gospel”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


It is necessary to confess our sins (and repent, forsaking them)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness –- from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from
them … We must also confess them with our actions … John is talking here about
repentance … we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary, Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary)


“He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses
and forsakes them (i.e. repents) will have mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13)


Remember Jesus' warnings to the 7 churches in Revelation 2 and 3
● He warns 5 of the 7 churches >>> they need to repent.
● He warns all 7 churches >>> they need to be overcomers.

This has nothing to do with believing that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:4-5).
When John talks about "the world", he is talking about the world of non-believers!
This has to do with
Revelation 3:21 …
To him who overcomes
I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
Lets see how well some are doing.

He tells us:
He will never leave us or forsake us.
He will lose NONE.
He has sealed us FOR the day of redemption.
We will NEVER perish.
There is NO condemnation for us.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we ARE children of God.
And His Spirit will guide us us into His truth.

1 Thess 5:19~~New American Standard Bible
Do not quench the Spirit;

Believers who do not believe what the Lord Jesus Christ did for us at salvation(we are eternally secure and so much more!)..............have QUENCHED the Spirit that is in them. All the 'good' they do, all the 'following' they do is wood, hay and stubble.

When we operate in our own righteousness it is as used menstrual rags in the eyes of the Lord. And wood, hay and stubble ends up as ASHES at the Bema seat of Christ for believers who continue to quench the Spirit.

You have the Spirit quenched Mr. Zain. 1 John 1:9. And start living In His glorious work and divine plan He has for you.
 
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Hebrews 13:5
“I will never leave you nor forsake you.”


Another verse that doesn't jive with "until God gives up on a BAC"
Hebrews 13:5-6
"Let your conduct be without covetousness;
be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?” "

This has absolutely nothing to do with BACs who live in disobedience,
who live according to the flesh, who habitually sin w/o repentance, etc. etc.!
 
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Hebrews 13:5-6
"Let your conduct be without covetousness;
be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?” "

This has absolutely nothing to do with BACs who live in disobedience,
who live according to the flesh, who habitually sin w/o repentance, etc. etc.!

It doesn't? What part of "never" are you not understanding in the context of that verse?
 
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What part of the underlined don't you get?

You answer my question with a question. Very well, I'll answer your question.

So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?”

Now, this part that you had underlined seems to line up perfectly with what I was saying. If He will never leave us or forsake us, then comes the part you bolded and underlined, which means I will not fear, because The Lord is my helper. But I don't see all those conditions you keep citing in that part of the verse. Should I be fearing after all?
 
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It seems that the context is about fearing man, or not.

Then we're being told that the Lord will not leave us or forsake us so that we can take comfort in knowing man can't do anything to us, even though the person isn't saved? That sounds like false comfort to me. A similar verse could say, "Accumulate wealth and arm yourself to the teeth, and no man will stand against you, so take comfort", and sound good even though The Lord isn't mentioned. However, the actual verse begins with mentioning that He (The Lord) will never leave or forsake us. The word "forsake" would imply that he has given up on us (something you referred to in post #7), which is also something He said he never would do.
 
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It seems that the context is about fearing man, or not.
So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?”

THE BAC CAN REST IN HIS FAITH AND NOT FEAR MAN
BECAUSE THE LORD WILL BE THERE TO HELP HIM.
And that puts an end to it for me!
 
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So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?”

THE BAC CAN REST IN HIS FAITH AND NOT FEAR MAN
BECAUSE THE LORD WILL BE THERE TO HELP HIM.
And that puts an end to it for me!
Oh ,You still fear man and it has not ended for you.

HE says, "you will NEVER perish." Man(you) says we can.

You fear man. Whether you know it or not.......................and that man is yourself. SELF has your salvation plan. The Lord Jesus Christ has His salvation plan.
 
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